Is Trump Losing the Support of His Base?

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Is Trump Losing the Support of His Base?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-10/trump-losing-his-support-base-a...

Excellent piece about the nature of Trump's supporters.

I'll have to admit, Mike G's rebuke of Trump's missile strikes surprised me (as well as a general dismissal by prominent Trump supporters). I thought Trump supporters would follow him wherever dark places he would go, being the ultimate cult of personality - turns out I was wrong, they actually have principals they believe in.

From TFA (emphasis mine):
"It appears many Trump supporters were not necessarily simply out of loyalty to Trump, but also, at least in part, due to a strong distaste for Hillary Clinton’s policies, particularly regarding Russia and Syria. Most surprising, however, is the fact that many of them have stuck to these principles, and Trump’s recent decision to strike Syria has not changed their mindset on the Syrian war and/or Russia. In this context, Trump supporters are actually proving more principled and honest than Obama and Clinton supporters considering many Obama supporters appreciated his anti-Iraq war stance only to stay silent as he bombed seven nations in a six-month period."

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The left can only hope.

The left can only hope.

Tom C
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lol.

lol.

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Sales of Ivanka Trump's

Sales of Ivanka Trump's clothing lines soared last year as her father's presidential campaign raised her profile and in spite of boycotts by his opponents

FOLLOW THE MONEY

" . . Last month it was reported that the Ivanka Trump brand had its best ever month in February, despite being dropped by Nordstrom and some other retailers . . "
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I usually agree with Mike G but not this time. Gas is bad; Obama got it wrong and Trump got it right.

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Anon....

Anon....

First of all Mike G would say the same thing about Jesus if he proposed sending (politically incorrect) missiles to anybody.
Even prominent (what ever and whoever they are) will have legitimate questions about such actions.
As for beliefs/principles the assumption that they were lacking is just wrong.
For both parties you reference I believe the real difference is the willingness to see how this plays out .
Given that what has been hurdled at Trump so far hasn't stuck except to piss a huge amount of Hillary and Bernie supporters off
it could be prudent to see how this plays out .
Everybody seems to be afflicted with a case of instant gratification of their needs ,by being everything anti Trump !
After all what else does the opposition have.
No one knows what will occur from this. There is a reasonable chance that it is a first act of a Kabuki theater performance.
Besides the hysteria consider a picture.
Could he have done more damage to Syria forces/leader ?
Russia pounds chest and threatens not to talk to US forces in area.
Assad just crapped on Putin.
Russia wants a deep water port on Med. not much else.

The big picture isn't complete yet.
Your assumption about supporters are the same as the mis judgements of them and Trump before election. Wrong.

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@Bruce:"Given that what has

@Bruce:
"Given that what has been hurdled at Trump so far hasn't stuck except to piss a huge amount of Hillary and Bernie supporters off"

Well I wouldn't go that far. True, the media stuff that has been flung at him has mostly failed (Flynn being the notable exception), but his approval rating is at an all time low, and he has yet to get the Freedom Caucus on board, without which he does not have a majority in congress.

Also, it's not inconceivable that there was Russia hanky panky but was done without his knowledge (i.e. Flynn + someone else), so while it would not be an impeachable offense, it would certainly tarnish his credibility.

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Anon...

Anon...
Underneath so much of this is covered by Ugenetoo in #2 above.

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Taxfoe

I got it wrong, I should have voted for Gary Johnson rather than the gas bag Trump. ORR I should have never voted at all. I was so blinded by my hatred of Hiliary, that I did not really listen to the total BS coming out of Rump's mouth. He lied himself into office by feeding the sheeple and me what we wanted to hear.

He took a page out of the Obama play book tell the idiots what they want to hear and then when you are in office you do as you want and get your golf game together.

There has been no investigation as to where the phosphine gas came from who dumped it or if it was staged or not, little bitch Ivanka gets her curlies in a bunch and Daddy wastes millions on a show strike to show everyone that he is a psycho and he'll nuke slap you if you don't watch it.

It brings to mind the great W who in his arrogance and in the faith that the world's greatest debtor nation with surprise the most might could attempt to Kowtow the world with his "you are either with us or you are with the terrorists".

What happens should anyone call his bluff, W bluff, Obama's bluff, Rump's bluff, the atoms hit the fan.

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AC

AC
I see a yuge future for you in a second career with MSNBC.
You've been able to put a negative spin on anything even remotely related to our esteemed President.
Keep up the good work.

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Perhaps what the real

Perhaps what the real casualty here is the cartoonish view of Trump supporters.

Let's say that most Trump supporters like most of what he's done, but disagree with the Syria strike--does that mean they've stopped being "Trump supporters"?

I strongly believe that Reagan was the best President of my lifetime, but he wasn't perfect, and he did things that I think were mistakes. Does this mean that I stopped being a "Reagan supporter"?

AC, it looks like you've actually exposed the real cults of personality--those devoted to Obama and Clinton.

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"I'll have to admit, Mike G's

"I'll have to admit, Mike G's rebuke of Trump's missile strikes surprised me (as well as a general dismissal by prominent Trump supporters). I thought Trump supporters would follow him wherever dark places he would go, being the ultimate cult of personality - turns out I was wrong, they actually have principals they believe in."

If you look at Mike G.'s comments over the years, you'll find that he basically believes that America's involvement in the Middle East is for the sole purpose of being Israel's puppet, "neocons" have the express desire of "killing brown babies", and America is to blame for Islamic terrorism and extremism. Oh, and did I mention that America is Israel's puppet?

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@Ugenetoo: "I see a yuge

@Ugenetoo: "I see a yuge future for you in a second career with MSNBC.
You've been able to put a negative spin on anything even remotely related to our esteemed President.
Keep up the good work."

Hey, just trying to create some balance in a non-trolly way (at least I try to be non trolly, sometimes it slips out). I'd love to put conservative spin on things but we already have half a dozen others to do that, it would be duplicated effort.

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@VS:"Let's say that most

@VS:
"Let's say that most Trump supporters like most of what he's done, but disagree with the Syria strike--does that mean they've stopped being "Trump supporters"?"

The difference here is Trump supporters felt (correct me if I'm wrong here) that they were getting something different, and this was... a bit of a betrayal - a sign that the office trumped (no pun intended) the person.

"AC, it looks like you've actually exposed the real cults of personality--those devoted to Obama and Clinton."
Well, Obama, not Clinton. Obama promised to pull out of wars & close Guantanamo and threw down a ton of missile strikes and did not close down shit.

Clinton, on the other hand, has always been on the hawkish side of the Democratic party. And believe me, you don't vote for Clinton for her personality.

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Vikingstar that is correct as

Vikingstar that is correct as you have stated for so many years, I'm "blaming America First".

Because destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, Somalia, Serbia was not America's fault but it was the fault of those that lived there because they made such inviting targets for America's right to protect our Empire. That gives new meaning to R2p. R2p our petrodollar, R2p Israel, R2p the war profiteers, R2p the Sauds.

When the Soviet Empire collapsed we had a R2p our expanding empire and provided the Russians with loans and grants etc, to protect us from their instability. After they became stable again, they realized that the USA and Nato had backed them right to their border and expected them to be a vassal state as is all of europe and japan, but they had the gall to resist the takeover of Ukraine and Crimea and to back an ally Syria.

They now are the new enemy, no longer is it ISIS, and Rump has gone along with it because apparently he is the art of the deal and they gave him an offer he can't refuse as they probably gave the other liar-in-chief Obama. War is our next step and I suspect that you will dutifully march right behind them to support our troops.

The reason Trump got elected is because many of us believed that he was going to put America First, two dirty words by the MSM and Politicians for several decades, but Trump had the gall to state that, that 20 Trillion debt and Pax Americana had to end. We knew Hiliary would put herself and Bill first. We turned out in large numbers held our noses and supported a possible new deal.

If he is putting America First someone point out where, he is W all over again and I suspect you will be blaming American Firsters all over again.

New boss same as the old boss

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Of course let us not consider

Of course let us not consider just what America First means or meant.

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Has it been so long Bruce

Has it been so long Bruce that you have forgotten the run up to the Iraq War.

How anyone who wouldn't support invading Iraq and ousting Hussein was a Neville Chamberlain. A fool a capitulator, who didn't see that Putin/Hussein is another Hitler. Because this isn't so much about Assad it is about Putin and Russia refusing to be a vassal state of American and its aligned vassal states.

Listen to the rhetoric put out by Nikki Haley and Trump's idiot family how Trump is a strong man and won't be pushed around by Putin, how Putin is complicit in the gasing of Syrian civilians how Russian air attacks have killed this that many civilians in Syria.

All the while the media ignores or buries on page 10 the US killing of civilians in Mosul. Yes Syria will be a cake walk the Syrian people will welcome us with open arms to get rid of their tyrant and put ISIS and Al Qaeda in charge.

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Mike G

Mike G
I can't answer your question out of respect ,you need to take a break.

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Take a break when the dogs of

Take a break when the dogs of war are a foot and from the administration that promised not to? never

Whether it be the dogs of war from Clinton, Bush, Obama or the Dumpster, I'll be there. ; )

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/10/not-just-syria-tru...

we should be just as concerned about the explosion of civilian deaths – more than 1,000 in March alone – that have come directly as the result of the Trump administration’s other reckless military campaigns across the Middle East over the past few weeks.

Recently, US airstrikes have claimed the lives of 200 civilians in Iraq, dozens were killed in separate strikes supposedly aimed at Islamic State in Syria and several more women and children died in a raid gone awry in Yemen. Those are just a few examples of the many attacks – launched under the pretext of defeating Isis – that wreaked havoc on civilian populations as the US military ramps up its bombing campaigns in multiple counties.

I guess Trump just killed them the old fashion way, blew them limb from limb, a real humanitarian.

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Ever heard of Dresden, Mike?

Ever heard of Dresden, Mike?

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Slaughter house 5.

Slaughter house 5.

Roger

What we have witnessed in the last month should be an awakening for America. Not only has Donald turned from a non-interventionist candidate to an interventionist POTUS, but he has turned into a centrist POTUS, embracing working with China and talking about reappointing Yellen to the FED. Is this Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde or is this a replay of hope and change Obama into W Bush. Is this non-interventionist W turning into you are either with us or with the terrorist W.

My initial knee jerk reaction was to blame Trump for being a turn coat, but what is going on is not political reality and a weak minded POTUS. When the same thing happens to candidate/Potus Obama and the same with W Bush, could there be darker forces at work here?

Uh Duh Mike, welcome to the United Socialist States of America. We've been Hi-jacked and given an offer we can't apparently refuse.

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The media misconstrues

The media misconstrues "Trumps base". Donald Trump was elected because he is not Hillary.

Tick, tick, tick

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