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pmconusa
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They got us again

Recently Amazon signed an agreement to collect state sales taxes with several states. The US Constitution in Article 1 Section 9 reads "No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any State". Section 10 reads "no State shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any State on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

The State has a provision in its tax laws and on its tax forms to impute the value of items purchased from out of state. This action is in violation of the above provision so the State has, by contract, made Amazon and soon others who are not corporations registered or established in this State, tax collectors on behalf of the state. No skin off their noses because they just pass the cost on to the consumer, you. If you challenge the State to get this back you will lose and if you petition the federal government for redress you will lose because the right to petition does not imply the government's obligation to redress that grievance.

On another matter, one of the biggest scams going is identity theft protection. Lifelock is the biggest perpetrator and their pitch is " we will spend up to a million dollars to get your name back". Notice, they didn't say that if your identity is stolen and it results in your loss of money, they will not get your money back. The reason is that it is next to impossible to get money from any of your accounts with your password. Your credit card company's protect themselves with elaborate safeguards such as not allowing you to draw more than a certain amount at any one time and if you try they will block the withdrawal from your account. Their triggers are very elaborate to the point I received a call from mine yesterday for five transaction that didn't even add to $300 dollars but were for similar items from five different firms.

I was caught in this scam but when I realized I was paying over $100 per year for protection I didn't need from a company who would not do any more than contact the credit card company or the Social Security administration to alert them to someone who had stolen my card and tried to buy something from a vendor without providing them not only the number but the security code on the back of it which does not record when your card is swiped but that you must use when you make a purchase on line but not in a store.

When you use a debit card, the debit card company guarantees the vendor his money only if the cardholder has an account and an amount to cover the value of the purchase. If it is a stolen card and the account holder claims he did not make the purchase the credit card company is on the hook if they refund the amount of the purchase. The card companies don't like that and take great pains to prevent such transactions, even on you own purchases. You certainly don't need a third party to protect you from yourself except for the scammers who will try and convince you that you do. When I cancelled my subscription they tried to persuade me they were providing me a needed service but in the end allowed me to cancel because they could no longer charge me a fee without payment. Unfortunately too many people have fallen for the scam and give little thought to automatically falling for it every time the annual payment comes around.

Your government is not so generous because if you don't pay up they can take things from you by law. Which gets me to what happens if you don't pay your federal taxes. There is also a company that will help you avoid payment for a fee. What you don't realize is that the federal government cannot force you to pay because all federal taxes, including the income tax are unconstitutional and the government cannot let you challenge it because they are all unconstitutional on the basis that they are written as bills of attainder to provide benefits or penalties to certain individuals or groups and specifically prohibited by the constitutions of not only the United States but of the States themselves. The companies that will help you avoid payment for a fee know this and can confront the tax collector with the fact that if you haven't paid, there is no legal means for the government to force you to pay other than threats of punishment which are all hollow because you cannot break a law that was enacted illegally, that is unconstitutionally. However, we now live in a democracy where the people serve the government, not the other way around.

In man's earliest years the only law necessary to govern was "thou shalt not steal" and the punishment was death to the thief. Now the biggest thieves are the banks who own the government and most of the land and real-estate to the tune of $20 trillion and growing and before you can punish the banks for theft you have to put to death the government that serves them.

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Ummm... it's not a "tax or

Ummm... it's not a "tax or duty on articles exported." Amazon has nexus within the state, (look it up,) and is selling an item from that nexus to the end user - in the same state. Those are IMPORTED.

It's the law.

But, thanks for playing...

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You should never use a debit

You should never use a debit card, unless you have a problem with spending.

If a debit card gets stolen, it's your money.

If a credit card gets stolen, it's the banks money - they eat the loss and charge all merchants a fee (unless the merchant hasn't upgraded to EMV chip reader, in which case fraud falls on the merchant's responsibility).

If you are thinking of ponying up money for something, do a google search on the name of the service + the word, "scam", just to see if what they are offering is on the up and up.

And for the love of all things holy, if some Indian guy calls you claiming to be, "John Smith" from "Windows Computing", hang up immediately.

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Anon....

Anon....
I agree on Indian except wait just a moment and then tell them you use Apple!

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Anon....

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You can't learn in a vacuum

You can't learn in a vacuum because sound waves don't travel. At least in an empty space you sometimes hear an echo. Its unfortunate that some people try and mimic that process.

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From the master of echoes.

From the master of echoes.

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"And for the love of all

"And for the love of all things holy, if some Indian guy calls you claiming to be, "John Smith" from "Windows Computing", hang up immediately."

Oh, but when they call me...at work...as I'm answering calls on my company's IT Help Desk...I simply can't resist playing with them. Got one of those tools sputtering mad at me.

On the other hand, they also called my mother in law, a sweet 80+ year old woman who was just about to give them credit card information when I happened to walk in through the door, just in the nick of time. That got ME "sputtering mad".

These tools should be locked in a small room for eternity with computers that have 300 baud dialup modems;
"All you have to do is download this 100 Gigabyte file, and you can get out--better hope the phone line doesn't drop at 99%--aw, shucks, it did! Looks like you have to start all over..."

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FWIW, I recently discovered

FWIW, I recently discovered nomorobo.

It's a free sign up if you use TWC for your phone, and it has eliminated 100% of all robo & spam calls so far (I've been using it about a month).

I highly recommend it, especially if you have elderly relatives that are in danger of getting scammed. I used to get 5-6 spam calls a day, and now I feel like I've gotten my phone back.

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Is this separate from TWC?

Is this separate from TWC?
Will it work on Spectrum ?
link to get it!

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Yes, it's an independent

Yes, it's an independent company:
http://www.nomorobo.com/

You sign up on that site, and then you log into TWC/Spectrum to enable it there as well.

It uses the "simultaneous" ring feature, so when a spam caller calls, it calls both your home and the nomorobo service (so it will ring once on your phone). If the nomorobo service determines it's a spam call, then they quickly answer and hangup.

From what I understand, they make money selling the service to cell phone users and businesses.

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Thank you Anon....

Thank you Anon....

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Unfortunately, Fairpoint does

Unfortunately, Fairpoint does not offer this service. :(

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The federal government once

The federal government once made it possible to stop advertisers from pestering you by phone with the exception of politicians and non-profits. How long did that last?

Slavery isn't dead, in some cases it just pays better. We are slaves to our own government and they to the banks they print money for. We may bring down the government by revolution but the banks just retain the old system with new stooges to take the blame. Just ask yourself if you are on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid where the government is getting the money to pay for these programs? They certainly aren't getting it from taxes which is what the Constitution required.

Bruce and I have benefited from these programs but I am one of the few who will admit and tell you how the government is doing it. Perhaps Bruce isn't like me in that he needs these handouts to survive. I save for my own retirement and could live quite comfortably if they were stopped. I'll bet many of you over 65 who worked for companies that no longer exist and lost the pensions you were supposed to get wouldn't last a week without Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

In order to survive you have to now earn it, share it with those who have more than they need and will share or, if you qualify, the government will keep you from stealing it by stealing it for you from your working friends, family and neighbors.

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Perhaps you are wrong ,I do

Perhaps you are wrong ,I do not need the "handouts" you speak of.

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Its not the first time and

Its not the first time and won't be the last. Despite your protestations to the contrary I am human and I do err.

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Admitting one has a problem

Admitting one has a problem is the frist step.

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When are you going to take

When are you going to take yours?

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When are you going to take

When are you going to take yours?

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When are you going to take

When are you going to take yours?

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When are you going to take

When are you going to take yours?

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When are you going to take

When are you going to take yours?

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When are you going to take

When are you going to take yours?

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When are you going to take

When are you going to take yours?

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I think you've broken a

I think you've broken a record pmconusa... 6 dups!

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Like me, my computer is

Like me, my computer is running a bit slow and my impatience has me hitting the save button too many times.

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It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

A properly written webapp should disable submit buttons after they've been clicked.

Also, there's something going on with whoever hosts this site, it's been excessively slow at times.

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Yes Anon....

Yes Anon....
I thought it was my computer but there is something definitely wrong. Ithas been slow since the last problem a week or so ago.

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Jasper just hasn't had the

Jasper just hasn't had the time to track down the bug.

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