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"investigated by state &

"investigated by state & federal agencies"

What are they being investigated for?

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I read with interest the

I read with interest the posts from page 4 to 5 about an E mail sent to Bruce Hodson on the Owen Sullivan matter. Well Biddefordsteve you got an answer, BRAVO, I did not. Not from Hodson, Hiltz, Belcher or the idiot of a lawyer deArrndeo! And I was directly effected when they fired Owen. He was what the Union does not want in their ranks, what the State doesn't want in it's ranks, that is a person who thinks for themselves and doesn't say YES when they know the answer is NO!

The Union Assigned Owen to Me as they Know what I can be to them and hoped Owen would do their bidding on shutting me up. Didn't work as he saw the injustice and went right to the meat of the problem. The Union seeing they made a mistake fires him under bogous reasons. That was a bigger mistake as now this is getting some legs along with the fact what those Bozos have now done concerning the Budget/Contract. Maybe it's not all here on AMG, just a few of the more vocal ones, but it's getting around in the offices, I've heard it in Bangor and through e mails from others around the State.

I understand your thinking, wrong as it may be, but I understand it.

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If anyone in MSEA thinks I am

If anyone in MSEA thinks I am anti union, they could not be more wrong. I want to make this union stronger and protect all members and correct injustices that have been going wrong in our chapter as I'm sure it has been elsewhere. Now, especially, with cuts, possible layoffs and more, the last thing we need is disention in the ranks of MSEA management. if anything that Mr. Sullivan posted is true, MSEA should come clean, admit mistakes, fix what is broken and move on to do the members business.

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BiddefordSteve, I like your

BiddefordSteve, I like your style but don't hold your breath waiting for the MSEA-SEIU Local 1989 to admit any/all of their mistakes. However, if/when the membership gets sick and tired of being used like political puppets for their votes and money, some positive change could happen if the membership stands up for themselves and demands a better union...IMO, all of the honest members deserve it!

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What are they being

What are they being investigated for?

You should ask MSEA Managment this question and see if they come clean with you.

Otherwise, stay tuned!

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If anyone in MSEA thinks I am

If anyone in MSEA thinks I am anti union, they could not be more wrong.

I don't think you're anti-union, if anything I think you're pro-union to a fault in that some of what you say here has a Boxer the Horse of Animal Farm ring to it (i.e. "Napolean is always right") despite the unrefuted evidence of MSEA Managment's wrong doing.

I want to make this union stronger and protect all members and correct injustices that have been going wrong in our chapter as I'm sure it has been elsewhere.

Glad to hear that! Suggest then that you start by taking Sullivan's Chronology and go have non-Managment staff at MSEA confidentially verify it for you. Knowledge is power!

Now, especially, with cuts, possible layoffs and more, the last thing we need is disention in the ranks of MSEA management. if anything that Mr. Sullivan posted is true, MSEA should come clean, admit mistakes, fix what is broken and move on to do the members business.

Sorry BiddlefordSteve, but meaningful change never comes from above, only from below. After all, did Josef Stalin ever come clean? Nope.

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More proof of MSEA and SEIU's

More proof of MSEA and SEIU's political folly of supporting the Democratic Party with our money.

Just read this article entitled: "Democrats Betray Labor-Cardcheck is pronounced dead".

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This all of course begs the

This all of course begs the question: what did the Membership of MSEA-SEIU Local 1989 get out of MSEA & SEIU giving all their time and money to Obama and company? Answer: jobs for Andy Stern and friends.

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“As far as ‘As Maine Goes’,

As far as ‘As Maine Goes’, blogs are a vehicle in which many false accusations and lies can be made with no accountability for those who make them. Basically anyone can write anything. I can assure you that MSEA has always acted in a fair and responsible manner and in the best interests of the dues paying members.” ---Bruce Hodsdon, MSEA President.

Speaking of lies being made with no accountability for those who make them, how about this MSEA-SEIU lie repeated over and over again to MSEA members last Fall: i.e. support Obama & Biden and they’ll end the wars of occupation and get us card check for labor unions.

Any chance Bruce Hodsdon will (in the spirit of accountability) make a motion at his next MSEA Board meeting to return all the PACER money taken from the MSEA Membership to support Obama & Biden?

My bet is he won’t even apologize to the members for taking their money because basically he is just one of those people who will say and write anything.

So much for his assurances that MSEA has always acted in a fair and responsible manner and in the best interests of dues paying members.

Rest assured though that Democrat President Obama and Democrat Governor Baldacci are very happy to have this money paying vassal lying to us in service to them.

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Sonny is 100% right and

Sonny is 100% right and accurate! The union/PAC that Bruce is supposedly running has been using a fraudulent accounting process to inflate what they claim are "chargeable expenses" to make them as high as possible. It's called fraud and it's taking advantage of both Maine taxpayers and a lot of honest state workers. The fee/dues calculation process is anything but fair or accurate, which can also be said for the overall challenge/review process that was implemented by the Baldacci/MSEA administration.

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And speaking of fraudulent

And speaking of fraudulent accounting, this is getting as bad as a North Hollywood porn movie.

Just read this recent news article:

State employees may have to absorb 5 percent pay cut

I mean talk about getting it both ways: first MSEA gives their Members’ money to get Baldacci and the Democrats elected only to have Baldacci and the Democrats turn around and lay them off and cut their pay for the next two years.

Such a deal!

Now let’s do some political arithmetic: how much MSEA Members’ money and time would MSEA Management have saved by being partisan neutral and not supporting anyone?

Oh well, good thing Governor Baldacci & the Dems have Rod Hiltz, among others, in place to help them jam this raw deal down the MSEA Members’ throats during the Executive Branch bargaining.

Now watch for MSEA Management to say all your PACER contributions made it only a 5% cut.

Like some kid saying at least their F grade wasn’t an F-minus.

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As I'm am sure has happened

As I'm am sure has happened in other chapters, recently an email occurred when a recently resigned chapter president emailed Tim Belcher & Bruce Hodsdon among others referring to an incident in which a steward may not have acted in the best interest of a member and is now a vice presidential candidate. Because I was in the grievance committee at the time, I expressed concerns of the email and the fact it was sent out to non committee members as these sort of things are to remain confidential. I emailed MSEA of my concerns. At the same time, I also forwarded Owen Sullivans chronology asking for its validity to Mr. Tim Belcher. His repsonse was " The statement by Owen Sulliven has no validity. Tim Belcher"

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Attorney Tim Belcher just

Attorney Tim Belcher just snowed you again because to have no validity means to have no legal force and so is not legally binding or effective (as in having or not having a valid title), and that's true - Sullivan's Chronology doesn't have any legal validity - at least not for now anyway. But ask Belcher what part of Sullivan's Chronology is true or false and if false why is it false? Then ask him if he'd be willing, in the spirit of validity, to sign an Affidavit saying same and if so then do so and if not then why not? LOL!

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Have Owen post the emails

Have Owen post the emails proving all of this and I will do just that.

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While I don't dispute what

While I don't dispute what you and Owen are saying, until I have proof that I can bring to MSEA, and say here, whats up? what is posted here is just gossip and rumor and has no validity in terms of proof. if this is all true, why not post all including the photo?

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Check this out sleight of

Check this out sleight of hand from MSEA’s webpage today:

Executive Branch Contract Negotiations Update - Negotiations Appear Headed to Mediation

May 27, 2009

Your elected Union Negotiating Team has been bargaining with management since November 2008 for our next collective bargaining agreements. The Union Negotiating Team has refused to give in to any proposals for concessions. Negotiations appear to be headed to mediation; however, your team continues to negotiate to get fair contracts for our members.

http://www.mseaseiu.org/Story41.html

Now what good is going to a Mediator or Arbitrator when they can’t over-rule the State Legislature?

And so what that MSEA has refused to give in to any proposals for concessions?

MSEA can’t over-rule the State Legislature either.

So this Rod Hiltz bargaining ruse is about as clever as Tim Belcher sitting behind that UPS Delivery Truck holding his breath like a little kid willing it not to leave.

Oh! At least MSEA didn’t agree to the State Government shafting the State Workers.

Or did they?

Hmmm…State Governor wants wages, hours and working condition concessions from State Workers ostensibly to balance the State Budget.

MSEA wants same amount of revenue coming in from union dues.

Well…one way to balance the budget is through layoffs of State workers as already permitted by all the present Executive Branch collective bargaining agreements.

But layoffs would cut into MSEA’s revenue streams because less workers = less dues.

So how much you want to bet that Belcher and company did a back channel deal with the Governor agreeing to take these contract concessions in return for no lay-offs?

What would be the proof?

Well for one look at what MSEA did and didn’t do here.

MSEA has conducted a very anemic protest with little advance notice to their members.

MSEA is blowing smoke about going to Mediation & Arbitration knowing that’s useless.

MSEA is not suing the State Legislature in Federal District Court for violating the NLRA.

Last I looked the States lost the Civil War and so now Federal law trumps State law.

Therefore, the State of Maine isn’t exempt from the NLRA’s requirement for good faith bargaining and so may not engage in take-it-or-leave-it bargaining via the Budget. To do so as it does undermines MSEA as the bargaining agent for State workers and that is something no employer (besides the US Congress) is permitted to do under the NLRA.

But all this stuff only works if MSEA drags the State of Maine to Federal Court.

Otherwise, when MSEA sits on all of our rights – we lose them.

Which begs the question (again and again): what are we paying MSEA for?

Go figure.

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Have Owen post the emails

Have Owen post the emails proving all of this and I will do just that.

What emails?

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Biddleford Steve said: While

Biddleford Steve said: While I don't dispute what you and Owen are saying, until I have proof that I can bring to MSEA, and say here, whats up? what is posted here is just gossip and rumor and has no validity in terms of proof.

Sullivan’s chronology speaks for itself. What’s stopping you from going confidentially to a non-manager at MSEA and verifying this for yourself one way or the other? Or do you really think it gossip and rumor that say Deb Roy got fired by Tim Belcher or that Owen Sullivan got fired right after giving oppositional evidence in Deb Roy’s Step 3 grievance meeting?

if this is all true, why not post all including the photo?

This has already been confidentially explained to you in a private message. That said, why not ask Rod Hiltz himself about this to see if he’ll admit or deny it? And if he denies it or plays stupid then quietly ask any of the non-management staff at MSEA about it.

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I know quite a few employees

I know quite a few employees who are calling and writing MSEA to go fair share. I think the loss of longivity was the final blow to many. Going fair share and dropping income protection will make up 2/3 plus of the $20 week longivity. I have said to many the only thing they will understand is their pocketbook.

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That PAC/union doesn't even

That PAC/union doesn't even deserve the so-called "fair share" fee, because they have created and used fraudulent information as part of the fee calculation process. The honest and hard working state employees deserve better, and I sincerely hope they become more willing to standup for their rights and demand a procedural audit of the MSEA's past accounting practices.

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Franco-Republican says: I

Franco-Republican says: I know quite a few employees who are calling and writing MSEA to go fair share.

The more the merrier!

I think the loss of longivity was the final blow to many.

As well it should have been! Loss of longivity is a win-win for Belcher & Baldacci. Belcher keeps getting same amount of union dues from us and Baldacci gets major savings for the State. Only the MSEA Membership gets sold out. Such a deal!

Going fair share and dropping income protection will make up 2/3 plus of the $20 week longivity.

You're right about going fair share but I would hold on to your income protection if I were you because we can all slip in the tub.

I have said to many the only thing they will understand is their pocketbook.

I agree. And once many members convert to fair share then MSEA will be obligated to find out why and to persuade us to come back with demonstrated proof of meaningful change and reforms otherwise they'll just go out of business and or become prey for the competition from other raiding labor unions. God how I love democracy and the free market!!!

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Mark Turek said: That

Mark Turek said: That PAC/union doesn't even deserve the so-called "fair share" fee, because they have created and used fraudulent information as part of the fee calculation process. The honest and hard working state employees deserve better, and I sincerely hope they become more willing to standup for their rights and demand a procedural audit of the MSEA's past accounting practices.

Any idea how MSEA members can convert to fair share? What is the step-by-step mechanical process to do so? Do they need to sign a form with MSEA and or the State and if so what is this form called? Also once more and more people convert to fair share, they should consider getting together at public meetings to file a class-action law suit and or complaint with the NLRB to get that procedural audit. Curious that MSEA doesn't at least have an in-house Controller or Fair Share Member Committee empowered to act as the Controller to ensure that regular procedural audits are done.

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Sonny - just a clarification

Sonny - just a clarification point--if a person goes fair share they automatically lose income protection. The only way one can have income protection is by being a full member. The Union knows they have staff by the throat on this. In fact a leader at MSEA headquarters pointed out to a member tht they were not the least bit concerned because employees would not go without the income protection. Pretty arrogant huh? All I know about the how to is that employees are dropping a letter in the mail and ccing Human Resources.

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Franco-Republican, I have

Franco-Republican, I have also heard that mentioned many times from the staff/officers/stewards at MSEA. In case you didn't know, the Baldacci Administration has refused to offer an "income protection" (a.k.a., disability insurance) plan as a benefit for state employees because they don't want to step on the toes of their campaign partners at that PAC/union.

That "member only" benefit is the #1 reason why so many members have kept paying their full dues, and the administration knows it would destroy MSEA if a similar plan was offered as a benefit for all state workers.

If our next governor becomes willing to offer this great benefit for all state workers, and therefore allow members to quit MSEA while challenging the inaccurate accounting practices at MSEA-SEIU Local 1989 via a Procedural Audit, a lot of positive changes will immediately happen within our Maine State Government. Needless to say, I sincerely hope that happens.

As for Sonny's question about how members can change their status for dues/fees, here is the related section for the current contract:

From: PROFESSIONAL AND TECHNICAL, SERVICES BARGAINING UNIT, 2007-2009
http://www.maine.gov/oer/contracts/me_emp_assoc.htm

“2. Change of Status

The right to join MSEA-SEIU shall be determined by the Union’s own Constitution and Bylaws. Otherwise, employees may change their status with regard to membership in MSEA-SEIU or service fee payment as follows:
a. Employees may change their status from service fee payer to MSEA-SEIU member, or from MSEA-SEIU member to service fee payer, at any time.
b. Employees may also start or eliminate their payroll deduction for MSEA-SEIU dues at any time.
c. Employees who wish to eliminate payroll deduction for membership dues must tender their dues directly to MSEA-SEIU.
d. In order to change status and/or eliminate or change any payroll deduction option consistent with paragraphs (a) through (c) above, and consistent with Section 1, the employee must provide written notice to both MSEA-SEIU and the employee’s payroll officer. MSEA-SEIU and the payroll officers shall promptly notify one another of a requested change, providing identifying information regarding the employee who made the request. It may take up to four (4) weeks for the requested change to take effect.”

In addition, although some people think MSEA's so-called "income protection plan" is a great deal, there are some local insurance companies which can offer a competitive plan if people do the research...but I think the state should offer it as a bene for all workers.

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lets call income protection

lets call income protection what it really is... disability insurance. Which you can buy from any insurance company, probably for less money then from the commie, pinko, bastards at the union.

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Franco-Republican, thanks for

Franco-Republican, thanks for that clarification. And yes, MSEA Managment is pretty arrogant but foolishly so given the free market disibility insurance alternatives that are most likely available to smart shoppers. Like the out of control Stalinists munchkins that they are, they really think they have us by the short hairs. The fools, the fools, the fools. Me thinks all they have done is awakened a sleeping giant.

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Mark, thanks for pointing

Mark, thanks for pointing that out to all of us who want to switch to fair share status with MSEA-SEIU. And you're right, the State Government could easily offer this disibility insurance benefit like any other employer but clearly they don't because they want to keep their managment union up and running for us - all the more reason to get out of MSEA-SEIU...at least for now.

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This question really is not

This question really is not related to this thread however I have a question for members of msea or another union. Isn't any or all part of a grievance confidential? and if so, is it appropriate for a steward to forward emails to non stewards who have nothing to do with a particular grievance? While the forwarded email did not go into specifics, if read, one could get the just of what happened involving another steward (who was named) I was in the grievance committee during this particular case and as we are all instructed, it is to remain confidential. Sending partial information to people who have nothing to do with it just doesn't seem like it should be tolerated despite the political bickering between past chapter presidents, stewards, individuals or whatever.

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A couple of points here! Be

A couple of points here! Be weary of income protection insurance claims for other companies being able to cover memebrs. The premium is based on group rates and your income level.
Where one runs into trouble is when the different occupational groups attempt to be covered.
Where office workers etc, pose little risk ,public safety jobs are looked upon differently,as are other occupations.
We have tried this several times in Corrections and most companies cannot or will not attempt to compete.
The answer to the original question is at least get a movement w/in to deaffliate! That is where the trouble really began. That can happen if enough people get involved.
If contracts expire go for decertification, there is alot more motivation today to do so then the last time.
Remember the sheeple were scarred into it before. Now the sheeple are loosing at the hands of the union leadership and the governor and the legislature.
Yes, don't let the elected ones off the hook either. Make them pay at the ballot box and at contribution time. I trully believe the loss of specific things while painful are understandable
given the circumstances,but that doesn't count for what I see as a basic fundamental lack of respect for
the employees of the State of Maine.
Capatilize on the one thing that the Bada Bing Club can't stand and control,SOLIDARITY, not with them but against them!
Look at the accomplishments of Mark Turek,they still can't let go of him,and he isn't even an employee now!
Do job actions the legal kind,don't work outside your job classification. Follow every policy too the letter. Do not do anything above and beyond what you are required to do. Report every item of waste and abuse to proper offices. Remember they have a responsibilty to manage,they do not have a right to mismanage!
Whats' wrong with MSEA is really a recognition that the basic Maine work ethic is anti-union we would all like to do w/out them. I worked for the state before collective bargaining I have seen why the unions appealed to so many,workers and politicians alike,although for different reasons.
The Executive , Management and Legislature has done little to deter the unionization of the work force
thru out the years both good and bad.

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BiddlefordSteve, yes

BiddlefordSteve, yes grievances are confidential unless the grievant waives his or her confidentiality by talking or writing openly about their grievance as oftentimes happens.

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