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Melvin Udall
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And we all appreciate your

And we all appreciate your reporting on both sides of the coin.

Tom C
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As you note, I started a

As you note, I started a police "good shooting thread," (which didn't garner a lot of interest, and instead apparently a lot of hostility.)

I also have a post or two to this thread that point out incidents where police were exonerated from accusations of malfeasance when the video of the incident was reviewed.

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Detail about an earlier story

Detail about an earlier story:

“My dad exited the bathroom, went around the corner, and I immediately heard multiple shots, which I thought was my dad engaging these other people in the house,” Hayashi said. “There was a pause, and then I hear people start screaming, ‘Police!’ and I hear people enter the house.

BANG BANG BANG. "Police! Drop the weapon!"

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As described previously, when a citizen is shot by police, the policy is to let them bleed out:

“And as I turned the corner, my dad is face down … and he’s handcuffed. And I reached down and – I don’t remember if I touched his shoulder or his face – but he looked at me and I got pushed off by an officer out the door,” Hayashi said.

“It’s just disgust and shame. Sunday morning, had you asked my son what he thought about police officers, he would have told you they are the baddest dudes ever,” Hayashi said, noting that the boy had been at a police camp a week earlier. “Now all he can think about is police shot his grandfather. And he saw his grandfather handcuffed and he can’t understand why they wouldn’t help him. He’s just traumatized.”

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Pinales and another neighbor

Pinales and another neighbor said they didn't hear any gunshots from the second floor where the man had lived. The first shots they heard, both women said, sounded as if they came from the porch where the man's body lay.

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Very strange - police get calls of gunfire, and rush in blasting away. However, the only shots the neighbors heard were that of the police.

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There was AN INVESTIGATION.

There was AN INVESTIGATION. We Waited For It.

It CLEARED THE OFFICERS.

CASE CLOSED!

Ala. LEO charged with murder in OIS after being cleared by PD

... But wait - there's more!

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This was an unfortunate event

This was an unfortunate event all around:

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It relates to the cr@ppy training that many officers get - the tired "I thought he was going to run me (or my partner) over," excuse that used to be an automatic Get Out Of Jail Free card for cops blasting away, is now being looked at more closely.

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Dallas police say one of

Dallas police say one of their officers was going home after her shift when she walked into the wrong apartment and shot the man inside.

Dallas police officer fatally shoots man after entering wrong apartment

I think we'll get some more facts on this, but no statement from the officer yet, who is probably in a "cooling off period" before required to make a statement.

I wonder if we'll hear "Made a furtive move" or "didn't follow police instructions" and of course "feared for my life."

I'm sure the sleepy citizen feared for his life as well.

The difference between his fear and the officer's fear was that his fear was legitimate.

The officer was not injured in the incident.

UPDATE:

Victim was a solid guy. Terrible waste of an exceptional man:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/botham-shem-jean/

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IMHO that officer deserves

IMHO that officer deserves more than a manslaughter charge.

Tom C
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You know, in the last few

You know, in the last few years, the handling of these situations has changed quite a bit.

Just a few years ago the blue wall of silence would come up after these events, and officer's statements were taken at face value - usually including magic words, "reached for his waistband" " didn't follow police instructions" followed by a full-on assault of the character of the victim.

And, of course, there was the "investigation" we were asked to wait for... which invariably cleared the officers.

It was so predictable it was absurd.

Now, with the regular availability of video of these incidents, we've seen many cases where the officer lied about the events as they unfolded, and so now we're not so quick to accept those descriptions at face value.

While the system still heavily favors the officers, the public is able to look at the process with the scepticism it deserves.

(This honest scepticism is different than the Black Lives Matter scam that insists that gunning down criminals while those criminals are committing violent acts is objectionable, or that the assaination of police officers is a legitimate answer.)

This will, and is, leading to good change.

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I haven't heard the specifics

I haven't heard the specifics, but it certainly sounds like she was under the influence of something.

I mean how do you go to the wrong floor, can't open the door b/c the key doesn't fit, and then just start shooting??

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Rough outline of what's

Rough outline of what's coming out, some not verified:

She put the key in the lock, but it wouldn't turn, so it was then probably opened from the inside, probably when the resident heard the rattling, or in response to banging, if she was calling for her roommate, or whoever.

So he likely opened the door, she saw a black man in what she thought was her apartment, and started blasting away.

Not known if she was under the influence.

Was involved in a prior shooting last year, the cops were rousting someone who was near someone they thought there was a warrant out for, he resisted being searched, she pulled her taser and the subject took it away from her, and so she shot him in the gut. Subject survived.

Cops in Dallas might be jumpy:

In 2016 five officers were ambushed and killed in Dallas.

This smells:

The Texas Rangers postponed seeking a warrant for manslaughter charges, saying they needed more time to investigate information that had only recently emerged following their interview with the officer.

PICTURED: Female cop who shot dead neighbor after she 'mistakenly walked into his apartment thinking it was her own', as video emerges of officer crying as paramedics try to revive victim

As you recall, immediately after the incident, the police said they had not interviewed her. Only AFTER the "cooling off period" did she come up with statement that stalled the process.

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She is devastated,' a Dallas

She is devastated,' a Dallas police officer close to Guyger told Dallas News. 'She is so, so sorry for this family.'

Who's been in my apartment rearranging the furniture and where is my big screen TV?

Sorry family, I had a bad day, the nine on the door flipped over to a six.

rumor has it that she knew him

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Predicably, the statement the

Predicably, the statement that the officer came up with after the "cooling off period" included the claim that she shouted instructions that the victim did not follow.

That seems to be the reason the Texas Rangers were holding up the warrant.

However, that created fierce feelings between the Rangers and local authorities who were infuriated by that excuse. The family came up with witnesses who called into question the officer's claim of events, and those two factors pressured the state police to say there was probable cause for getting the warrant.

Now they throw the process to the grand jury, and, if an indictment comes from that, a trial.

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Oh, for crying out loud:

Oh, for crying out loud:

One of the warrants became a public record Thursday afternoon when it was returned to the judge who signed it. It was shortly after Jean’s funeral had ended. It listed several items found in Jean's apartment, including a small amount of marijuana.

There have been several warrants signed by judges and executed in this case aside from the arrest warrant for Guyger and the search warrant signed September 7 that were returned to the court on Thursday. The others are still sealed and not accessible.

Lawyers "disgusted" by release of search warrant showing marijuana found in Botham Jean's apartment

Every sad little trick in the book.

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Weed? There ya go. Justified

Weed? There ya go. Justified homicide.

He shouldn't have resisted. When a cop comes into your home, just follow orders.

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Or at least offered to share

Or at least offered to share the joint.

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I'm still waiting to see if

I'm still waiting to see if she wanted a hit and a bit of nooky, a woman scorned. Who doesn't notice the furniture layout?

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He shouldn't have resisted.

He shouldn't have resisted. When a cop comes into your home, just follow orders.

Here a situation with a different outcome:

Two police officers in Maryland were shot by a resident in his own home after they forced their way into the wrong apartment while trying to serve a search warrant, according to a new report. The episode on Wednesday night in suburban Washington was eerily reminiscent of another earlier this month when an off-duty officer in Texas shot and killed a resident in his own home because she said she confused it with her own apartment.

Maryland Cops Pulled An Amber Guyger, Only This Time The Resident Shot Police In Self Defense

Police chief defends the citizen:

“A law-abiding, hard-working citizen and his daughter were home at the point where we began to execute that search warrant,” Prince George’s (PG) County Police Chief Hank Stawinsky said Thursday.

I don't think we'd ever see a Police Chief defending the citizen in a case like this, that is - before these types of incidents had received wide public exposure. If it happened, it would be a very rare thing. More likely, the police would be falling all over themselves trying to besmirch the citizen in any way possible.

The fact is that looking at these incidents critically and bring them into public light, as well as the advent of videos of these incidents, has changed the police handling of these matters, and is likely changing police training, procedures and reactions in interactions with citizens. .

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