It's time for a Jordan Peterson, IDW thread

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Toolsmith
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Online free K-12 education,

Online free K-12 education, online free college, etc., etc.

Just do an end-run on the whole corrupt mess, and get a real education - instead of the indoctrination being sold now.

If Mr. Peterson can get even one person to think, it's worth it.

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From Tom C's link to The

From Tom C's link to The Atlantic article on Jordan Peterson:

When the top man at The New York Times publishes a sober statement about a meeting he had with the president in which he describes instructing Trump about the problem of his “deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric,” and then three days later the paper announces that it has hired a writer who has tweeted about her hatred of white people, of Republicans, of cops, of the president, of the need to stop certain female writers and journalists from “existing,” and when this new hire will not be a beat reporter, but will sit on the paper’s editorial board—having a hand in shaping the opinions the paper presents to the world—then it is no mystery that a parallel culture of ideas has emerged to replace a corrupted system. When even Barack Obama, the poet laureate of identity politics, is moved to issue a message to the faithful, hinting that that they could be tipping their hand on all of this—saying during a speech he delivered in South Africa that a culture is at a dead end when it decides someone has no “standing to speak” if he is a white man—and when even this mayday is ignored, the doomsday clock ticks ever closer to the end.

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And there's more... has The

And there's more... has The Atlantic been slowly jumping off the leftie Titanic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/bari-weiss-immigran...

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Another lift from Tom C's

Another lift from Tom C's link:

" . . If you think that a backlash to the kind of philosophy that resulted in The Nation’s poetry implosion; the Times’ hire; and Obama’s distress call isn’t at least partly responsible for the election of Donald Trump, you’re dreaming. And if you think the only kind of people who would reject such madness are Republicans, you are similarly deluded . . "
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I concur. The author also pointed out that 'the left' frequently dismisses Peterson's work as merely common sense. They reject common sense because . . because what?

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My favorite bit of the

My favorite bit of the Atlantic article on why the left has to neutralize Jordan Peterson:

The young men voted for Hillary, they called home in shock when Trump won, they talked about flipping the House, and they followed Peterson to other podcasts—to Sam Harris and Dave Rubin and Joe Rogan. What they were getting from these lectures and discussions, often lengthy and often on arcane subjects, was perhaps the only sustained argument against identity politics they had heard in their lives.

That might seem like a small thing, but it’s not. With identity politics off the table, it was possible to talk about all kinds of things—religion, philosophy, history, myth—in a different way. They could have a direct experience with ideas, not one mediated by ideology. All of these young people, without quite realizing it, were joining a huge group of American college students who were pursuing a parallel curriculum, right under the noses of the people who were delivering their official educations.

Peterson teaches that the thought tradition of what we call "the West" discovered that the remedy to bloody tribalism (now called identity politics) is the elevation of the individual as an agent with ownership of and responsibility for one's own life. It's what a faction of the Left wants to negate.

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The author of that article

The author of that article has written several other articles that question some of the left's favorite shibboleths.

One matter she brings up is the left's "unpersoning" of Peterson, the tactic of attacking the individual harshly enough to get the sheep to ignore what he says.

It's their favorite tactic against those who make effective arguments to which they have no rational response. We should be on the watch for that tactic, point it out, and see it for what it is.

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IQ is a real thing with real

IQ is a real thing with real consequences in real life. There are limits to the possibilities of "overcoming" a low IQ to live a full and independent life.
EG, it's just not true that every individual can make a living through gainful employment.

The Dangers of Ignoring Cognitive Inequality

Simply wishing away the fact that the genetic and environmental circumstances of a person’s birth inevitably endows everyone—for better or worse—with a personality, a level of sociability, and an intelligence is a form of denialism that serves only our urge for moral exculpation. Pretending that those burdened with low IQ are just lazy, or lack the appropriate motivation, is a way of absolving ourselves of responsibility to help them. Accepting that intelligence exists, that intelligence matters, and that the less intelligent are equal to us in moral worth and value and thus ought to be helped, constitute the first steps in addressing this increasingly urgent need to fully accommodate the cognitively underprivileged.

I hated the move Forrest Gump for its implication that cognitive ability has nothing to do with competence, inventiveness, and achievement.
"Stupid is as stupid does" may be a great thing to teach a child of any intelligence level, but its insight is mostly a caution for the cognitively competent. As President Obama famously said, "Don't do stupid s**t."

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https://www.lewrockwell.com

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/09/thomas-woods/lock-them-in-and-burn-i...

I must say, it amazes me that Peterson should be controversial at all, since up until quite recently what he’s saying would have been considered simple common sense by pretty much everyone.

As one shouting protester was escorted out, Peterson told the audience matter-of-factly: “That’s pure narcissism at work, by the way.”

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Amen to this:

Amen to this:
“To hijack an event like this,” Peterson continued, “that other people put time and effort into and to use the civility of the crowd and the civility of the organizers as an excuse to blatantly yell out your ill-informed opinions is no way to conduct a civil dialogue. It’s absolutely appalling. The people who do that should be embarrassed.”

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