If you are white, you are evil

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If you are white, you are evil

An artist painted a picture of Emmitt Till, a black teenager murdered in1955. When it was determined that the artist was white, many have called for the painting to be destroyed. . So much for racial non discrimination from minorities. The real sad part is that almost nobody came to the defense of the art and artist.

white art > evil art

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Obama's lasting legacy

Obama's lasting legacy

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The next time someone tells

The next time someone tells me I ought to be ashamed of myself I'll respond by saying I am.

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How about thinking about the

How about thinking about the meat of the issue? Should any artist appropriate an image like this in their own work for (perhaps) easy pathos? And yes, i think it's fair to question whether a white artist should "use" an iconic and disturbing image like this for their own gain, whether it be monetary or careerist. I don't know if this is actually the case--it's an interesting situation to think about, with all sorts of corollaries. The holocaust, 9/11, whatever.

But Watcher? Your headline is incredibly stupid and misleading, and your "discussion" of the controversy vapid and idiotic. At least you now know who Emmit Till is...

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But Watcher? Your headline is

But Watcher? Your headline is incredibly stupid and misleading, and your "discussion" of the controversy vapid and idiotic. At least you now know who Emmit Till is...

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But Watcher? Your headline is

But Watcher? Your headline is incredibly stupid and misleading, and your "discussion" of the controversy vapid and idiotic. At least you now know who Emmit Till is...

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But Watcher? Your headline is

But Watcher? Your headline is incredibly stupid and misleading, and your "discussion" of the controversy vapid and idiotic. At least you now know who Emmit Till is...

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I don't recall any uproar

I don't recall any uproar from white people when John Coltrane released his version of My Favorite Things. Actually, white people loved the interpretation and Coltranes fortunes and influence increased.

Was George Balanchine wrong in casting Arthur Michael in Stravinsky's Agon? What was a black man doing neoclassical Russian ballet anyway. Were white liberals who championed this in the late 50's wrong?

I'm so embarrassed to have once been a liberal.

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You're comparing raindrops on

You're comparing raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens to the photograph of a lynched black man?

And you were embarrassed to once be a liberal?

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"Cultural appropriation" is

"Cultural appropriation" is what I figured the issue is.

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Uh, no.

Uh, no.

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Uh, why not.

Uh, why not.

It's the same line of mud headed thinking.

But to offer you an example that you can understand, I suppose you'd have the American Indians marching to the library to burn copies of Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

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Good point Mark

Good point Mark

But wasn't it good that we killed all those pesky redskins like we did Saddam, Ghadaffi, all those damn Muslims, why do they hate US, but I'm getting just current here meaning the latest excuse for bombing just about everything, I'm thinking Putin, because even if he survives those crazy Russians with their car cams deserve no mercy.

Does anyone think that any government official might be subject to blackmail with the powers of the NSA?

Like Roberts, Like Trump, Like any turd in the Beltway?

Naw the The Ny Times and WSJ would tell us in a second, PS always thought the former AMG owner thought the WSJ was a source of whatever. not bs

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Matt, your (and J-Ass-Per's)

Matt, your (and J-Ass-Per's) verbal flatulence is exceed only by your liberal, trash mouthed ignorance. To call for the destruction of an art object because of the color of the artist's skin is racial discrimination at its most naked, glaring existence. Were Aaron Burr and George Washington really young black men as portrayed on Broadway? You Liberals simply cannot get skin color off you fevered brains.

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Again, your analogy is off.

Again, your analogy is off. The problem isn't white people writing about black history. Nothing wrong with that, of course. It's a white person aestheticising a tragic image, perhaps inappropriately, and perhaps for their own gain, no matter their artistic intent. I can't say for certain that it's wrong to do so, and I wouldn't be surprised if the artist had very interesting and well thought out justifications for creating an outrageous piece like this, but I understand why some African American folks are upset. Just as many Jews would be angry were a contemporary German to make a sculptural installation of a pile of emaciated, naked dead bodies.

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Matt...Blacks don't like this

Matt...Blacks don't like this painting because it was done by a white guy. No way around this, even using tortured Liberal illogical thinking. It is pure discrimination. If you cannot do something because of your skin color....you are a racist, bigoted, caucasian-a-phobe.

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You think I'm using tortured,

You think I'm using tortured, illogical thinking?

Lol. You're a complete ignoramus.

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I think everyone would like

I think everyone would like it better if it were done by David Supernigger:
https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/26djkw/this_white_guy_legally_c...

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I admit defeat to you

I admit defeat to your superior logic and devastating retort. What a debater you would have made...in a mental institution.

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did the labor mural artist

did the labor mural artist ever do an honest day's work? Maybe LePage missed a justification for removing the mural.

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It's all so confusing. One

It's all so confusing. One thing I know is that if Uncle Toms Cabin had been destroyed all those years ago we wouldn't have had that awful To Kill a Mockingbird years later. Damn those white women authors anyways.

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Mark, you're making my point,

Mark, you're making my point, or undercutting your own. African Americans by and large would never question Stowe's or Lee's motives for, or the appropriateness of, their fiction. There's no reason to.

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I guess I don't see the

I guess I don't see the gradation of difference, Matt.

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I've been thinking about

I've been thinking about specific depictions of violent deaths in art and the power of the imagery and the artists who made them, like Picasso's Guernica and Goya's 6 of May. Both by Spaniards depicting historical atrocities in Spain. I suppose other Spaniards felt something unique in sharing a heritage with the artists. But would the works have been illegitimate if done by French or German artists?

Or an African?

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I think you're right--it's

I think you're right--it's probably true that spaniards felt something unique w Goya, because of a shared histrory, identity, etc. And yes, maybe if it were painted by a foreigner it wouldn't have the same kind of power (after a viewer found out about the painter's bio). But no one woukd protest such a painter's right to take on the subject matter, I don't think.

But this painting seems different to me, because the subject matter is the re-creation of the body of a non-imagined victim, in the not-so-distant past.

Not to throw a wrench into the thread, but I can only imagine what a discussion on here would look like were the subject an Arab Muslim artist's painting of a the sidewalk at the base of the World Trade Center in the minutes before the buildings came down, or a painting of the beheaded body of Daniel Pearl, no matter the artist's intent.

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your Pearl example may come

your Pearl example may come closest.

I have to say that I wouldn't object unless the intent was to celebrate the murder and call for more. In fact, I'd love to see a Muslim call attention to the atrocious nature of his fellow believers.

Your point is becomming clearer to me but I'm not swayed.

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Just wondering...what if Andy

Just wondering...what if Andy Warhol had become famous with paintings of Goya Bean cans instead of Campbells Soup cans?

How different would our world be today?

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Oh don't be ridiculous Melvin

Oh don't be ridiculous Melvin. Andy Warhol was culturally sensitive enough to not appropriate Hispanic trademark images. Although he was not Scottish he was very white and as you know all white people are the same.

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You're right. I had never

You're right. I had never thought of Andy when I thought of you.

Until now. As they say, life is one big learning experience, and then you die.

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Do you understand the clear

Do you understand the clear and shining logic of progressive thinking now Melvin? Campbells is Scottish heritage. Which is white. Warhol never ventured outdoors until midnight and you can't get a tan off the disco ball in a nightclub. So he was pasty faced white. Ergo, it was ok for him to use the Campbells logo. See Mel? The progressives figured this out decades ago. It's just us knuckle draggers that are slow. Just ask Jasper.

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I seem recall the fuss made

I seem recall the fuss made by some conservatives when Maya Lin, a native-born American of Asian descent, was chosen to design the Vietnam War Memorial. It wasn't just about the design. In the end, it was much ado about nothing, just like the topic of the thread.

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