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PressMan247
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Get Out While You Still Can!

If you live north of the Volvo Line in Maine, and you enjoy the slower paced way of life, but can't afford to make ends meet... I have a simple solution for you...

Move to rural New Hampshire.

No income tax.
No sales tax... You're over here shopping already. I see your plates at the wal-mart.
And with a little work, you can find a town with MUCH lower property taxes.

I believed that lie for many years... It's not true.

Moultonborough pays less than $10 per $1000 valuation.
Hale's Plantation pays about $5.

Everyone over here is looking for help. There's not enough people to fill the quality jobs.

A hotel in North Conway is paying new hires $20/hr to clean rooms.

The jobs real Americans don't want I guess.

I love Maine... But it's so messed up... And with the items you passed last November, it's going to get worse.

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Mil rates don't tell the

Mil rates don't tell the whole story.
A 3 bedroom ranch with garage can sell or $49,000 in Millinocket.
A 3 bedroom ranch with garage can sell or $89,000 in Lincoln.
A 3 bedroom ranch with garage can sell or $200,000 in Lincoln, NH.

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The only one's free to move

The only one's free to move are those who don't need to because their welfare checks at least enable them to live in their own home and pay property taxes. I lived in New Hampshire and the property tax was eating my lunch and was rising every year at a rate that my investments could not keep up. Why was that? It was because they were paying their government workers more each year for doing the same job, namely the teachers and having to build schools at abnormal pace because they weren't being maintained.

In the Peoples Republic of Brunswick teacher's average salary is over $60,000 when you factor in they pay less than 10% for their pensions and less than 10% of their healthcare insurance.. They will get a minimum 3% increase every year unless the union decides it is not enough and the taxpayers will sit back for more. They have padded the payroll to the extent they now only spend half of their time actually teaching. On top of that they are hankering for a new school too the tune of $35 million and you know where that is coming from?

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If you like Millinockett...

If you like Millinockett... You're going to love Berlin.
Former Papermill town digging itself out of the hole thanks to LIBERTY...

Here's some great houses starting at around $15,000.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Berlin_NH/sby-1

If you like Stinkin Lincoln, check out Lincoln, NH Ski Condos starting around $50K.
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/36-Lodge-Rd-00201_Linco...

I was really aiming more for residents Franklin, Oxford, Androscoggin and York Counties.
People already closer to the border... But any Maine Liberty Lovers are welcome.

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You really have to comparison

You really have to comparison shop zip codes in NH to get a good tax rate. I won't disagree with you on that.
Middleton, NH is about $30/M... Really crazy. Don't go there.
The Free State Project has all the towns listed for you in an easy to compare spread sheet...
Come on now... NH is the place to be in New England.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=20886.0

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Thanks for links pressman

Thanks for links pressman

Roger Ek
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I went to Porcfest a few

I went to Porcfest a few years ago. Had a good time. Most open carry hand guns I saw in one place since I was in Cambodia.

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Nothing like a good porkfest

Nothing like a good porkfest to display the size of your penis. I assume there were no rifles there.

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I think you should stay in

I think you should stay in Maine Jasper. They're going to need more useful idiots as the red wave moves south towards Portland.
Even your pals at Politico gotta say that NH is the best.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/states-of-our-union-are-n...

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He doesn't know what Porcfest

He doesn't know what Porcfest is, guys. Sad little joke.

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If you still want to live in

If you still want to live in Maine and enjoy the benefits of no taxes you must live in the unincorporated part of Maine. The problem is that the State owns nearly all of it and people who own the best parts won't sell it to you so you must become a squatter, where they can't fined you. Those private owners who want to develop it can't get permission because of the tree huggers who, though none of their business want to keep it for Maine's future. When they can't sell it, guess who they give it to or if smart get the State to buy it? I forget her name, but you probably know who I mean. The State is not going to sell it to you. Fortunately it doesn't cost them anything because they don't maintain it, except to put in few roads once in while to access the forest fires that they cannot put out because there is little water.

There is no escape, so find a place within an unincorporated town and trust your savings or Social Security check to maintain you because you aren't going to find any work there or many services either to spend your money on and you will have to spend your money on gas to get to the grocer to buy your food, if there is a grocer within 50 miles. A millionaire maybe able to survive under these circumstances because they could have everything they need brought to them but do you know any millionaires whose only home is in the Maine woods?

When I lived in Bethlehem, NH my property tax on a home valued at $125,000 was over $6,000 per year and growing. That was more than I earned on my first job fresh out of college and the navy. Doesn't that tell you there is something wrong with the system? I'd tell you but Bruce Libby and his friends don't want you to find out and I certain don't want to incur their wrath.

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If you still want to live in

If you still want to live in Maine and enjoy the benefits of no taxes you must live in the unincorporated part of Maine. The problem is that the State owns nearly all of it and people who own the best parts won't sell it to you so you must become a squatter, where they can't fined you. Those private owners who want to develop it can't get permission because of the tree huggers who, though none of their business want to keep it for Maine's future. Maine doesn't have a future unless the government pays for it. When they can't sell it, guess who they give it to or if smart get the State to buy it? I forget her name, but you probably know who I mean. The State is not going to sell it to you. Fortunately it doesn't cost them anything because they don't maintain it, except to put in a few roads once in while to access the forest fires that they cannot put out because there is little water.

There is no escape, so find a place within an unincorporated town and trust your savings or Social Security check to maintain you because you aren't going to find any work there or many services either to spend your money on. You will have to spend your money on gas to get to the grocer to buy your food, if there is a grocer within 50 miles. A millionaire maybe able to survive under these circumstances because they could have everything they need brought to them but do you know any millionaires whose only home is in the Maine woods?

When I lived in Bethlehem, NH my property tax on a home valued at $125,000 was over $6,000 per year and growing. That was more than I earned on my first job fresh out of college and the navy. Doesn't that tell you there is something wrong with the system? I'd tell you but Bruce Libby and his friends don't want you to find out and I certain don't want to incur their wrath.

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The Berlin- Gorham area is an

The Berlin- Gorham area is an interesting place. My work over almost 40 years has been in the northern NH and western Maine area. I've seen a lot of changes to say the least. The economic devastation caused by the loss of the mills, in Berlin, Groveton, and even over to little Gilmanton Vt is hard to calculate.
But the area is springing back to life, there is a biomass plant on the site of the paper mill in Berlin, a state and federal prison were built in Berlin and Dillion logging's donation or sale of 4500 acres of former Brown Co land was the seed for the start of the ATV park . Now there is an extensive trail system that draws enthusiast from all over NE.
The ATV revolution and Berlin and Gorham's willingness to embrace it has been a boon for the area restaurants and motels are full, a big ATV dealership,and all the other ripple effects and the area continues to grow.To say nothing of the absolute beauty of the area which draws hikers, bikers, hunters,snowmobilers and other sports enthusiasts
The difference between NH and Maine is strikingly apparent, in Maine they would have fought the biomass, the prisons and the trail system to a halt....... in NH they think differently....they think how do we create jobs .
As a footnote Les Otten has taken ahold of the Balsams resort and has plans to turn it into a world class resort.... The state of NH is helping out......... funny he didn't look at Saddleback....wonder why?

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I do not need to know any of

I do not need to know any of those things. Time and time again I have
stated yours is the truth and is all that is needed and acknowledged.

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pmconusa said - If you still

pmconusa said - If you still want to live in Maine and enjoy the benefits of no taxes you must live in the unincorporated part of Maine. The problem is that the State owns nearly all of it

Seriously?

If you are speaking of the Unorganized Territories, you know little about northern Maine. The state actually owns very little of it. It's privately owned by businesses, families, and individuals who manage it for timber harvesting mostly.

And this - people who own the best parts won't sell it to you so you must become a squatter, where they can't fined you.

You can't be serious.

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To find a low tax rate, find

To find a low tax rate, find a town with few students to educate and a big lake or lakes with high value waterfront property. Buy a property back up a dirt road about 4 miles from the lake. Your taxes will be low. That's the magic formula. Find somebody who knows the zoning in town to be sure you can have some chickens or animals BEFORE you find out you are on the wrong side of an invisible line and cannot do what your neighbor does.

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Nothing says "economic

Nothing says "economic revitalization" like a prison.

I thought Otten quit with his "big ideas" after the Sox kicked him out of the ownership group and he drove Steamboat into a rock and sunk it.

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Matt for a town that had lost

Matt for a town that had lost it mainstay of occupation, the prisons were welcome good paying jobs. And whether you like Les Otten or not it was his ambition that turned Sunday River from a ho hum little ski area into the giant it is today with the ripple effect that creates in the area.
Colebrook NH and the surrounding area have lost several of their anchor industries ... the revitalization of the Balsams and the Wilderness ski area could be a huge boon to the area, Les is a guy who gets things rolling...

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Blue Jay: Who controls how

Blue Jay: Who controls how much of the woodlands can be cut? Who controls how many fish and crustaceans can be taken from the sea? Who controls how much water can be diverted from the rivers? Who controls how much carbon dioxide can be spewed into the atmosphere? Who controls what can be grown on the land? Do you realize that all of our grain crops, which produce the most calories, human fuel, have to be subsidized because growing more labor intensive crops that have less than 40% of the fuel value are more profitable but can support a far lesser population.

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Do you, Blue Jay? Do you?

Do you, Blue Jay? Do you?

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Say it ain't so, Joe, say it

Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so......

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Living in the great north

Living in the great north woods would not exempt you from sales tax or income tax...
Even the North Woods Law guys came to New Hampshire this year.

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Country Living Magazine says

Country Living Magazine says Laconia is the #7 place in the country to visit...
http://www.countryliving.com/life/travel/g4139/best-weekend-getaways/?sr...
So much for Vacationland, not one spot in the top 20.
Get out now... There's still time. For the love of GOD... I'm begging you to save yourselves! =o)

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"Country Living Magazine says

"Country Living Magazine says Laconia is the #7 place in the country to visit..."

That is bike week.

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Very good point, Roger! =)

Very good point, Roger! =))))))

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Bike Week certainly got its

Bike Week certainly got its start in The Weirs (a part of Laconia that is closest to Lake Winnipesaukee.) It lies on the opposite side of Paugus Bay from the rest of the city. There's a lot of people reinvesting in the Weirs right now. About $10 Million in new improvements. Bike Week is really about 10 days long and it's more of a State Wide Event these days... The rabble rousing bikers of years past are now on social security or passed on from their fast lifestyles. Much more subdued event now.

The people who come, come to ride and there's plenty of beautiful places to ride to. It brings hundreds of thousands of visitors from all over the world and U.S. and millions of dollars to the state's economy... But that's alright. You guys have the Yarmouth Clam Festival. I still see your Maine plates at the Wal-Mart and the BJ's gas in Portsmouth. You're line up.

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Sturgis of the East.

Sturgis of the East.

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A biker festival in Maine?...

A biker festival in Maine?.......Not without an environmental impact study first..........and permits don't forget the permits.....

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Yet...they'll promote and

Yet...they'll promote and celebrate a line of peddlefools riding their bikes on US route 2, one of the most heavily traveled secondary roads in Maine.

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Pressman247

Pressman247
I am an occasioinal shopper in Southern NH.
On a good traffic day 45 minutes for us.
Yes the gas price is always good,usually $.!0 a galon difference.
A fill nets me #1.80 savings vs. $1.50 to $2.00 tolls one way with EZpass.
Now take that appeal to northern NH. Some savings on taxes etc. for sure.
My usual trip is to Center Hrbr. via Rt. 25 and 16/ 25 in NH.
16 is no pleasure ride as is most other secondary roads in NH.
There is offsets both here and there that people make thier choice to live with.
I beleive most visits to southern NH other than really close residents to border are more escapeism than anything.
A change of scenary w/cheap gas.

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Bruce go to Gorham /Berlin on

Bruce go to Gorham /Berlin on any Friday Sa or Sun.... and count the Maine cars....

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