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mainemom
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Democrat candidates for governor of Maine

I watched Monday's Democratic gubernatorial candidate forum on WCSH TV.
All prefer policies that boss people around and take their money, but some are worse than others.
Here are my impressions.

There's a totalitarian solution for every problem they see; Maine just needs to be more like Venezuela:
Betsy Sweet (get the money out of politics so the Maine People's Alliance can get me elected!)
Mark Eves (king of the platitude; nary a fact-based utterance shall pass through his lips)
Diane Russell (now that we have rank choice voting, you can make me your first, second, and third choice!)

Looks good in a suit but not ready for the issues:
Adam Cote (best line: we can't sue our way out of our problems) He believes the myth that Americans on medicaid don't overuse the ER. Fact: they use the ER three times more than the uninsured.

Best at concealing his far-left platform:
Mark Dion

Conventional Democrat who may be able to work with Republicans:
Janet Mills (though she brags about all her lawsuits against Republican administrations)
Donna Dion (Gets the award for asking, where's the money?)

Absent from this forum was any discussion of the tax-and-home-care referendum we'll face in November. You can read about their positions on that law here.
every Democratic candidate for governor expressed support for the “Homecare for All” citizen initiative, with most endorsing it outright.
Sweet was joined by candidates Mark Eves, Diane Russell, and Mark Dion, who all went on record in support of Homecare for All. Candidates Adam Cote and Janet Mills voiced support for the idea generally and said they had to further examine the particulars... Donna Dion also raised questions about the funding mechanism.

Here's the MPA's big lie about that bill. The initiative would be funded through narrowing a tax loophole that only benefits state’s highest earners, those who make above $128,400 a year in individual income.
In other words, the MPA and the Democrats want to get rid of the cap on FICA withholding. Individual (and small business) income above $128,400 is not subject to FICA for SS, while there is no income cap on the tax for Medicare.
It's a money grab.
MPA wants to punish people who have the bad form to be well paid. Small business will be punished along with them.

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Thank you mainemom. I missed

Thank you mainemom. I missed the show and is nice to see something that directly relates to Maine.

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Wow that's an expensive

Wow that's an expensive proposal. As a liberal, I'm certainly not opposed to taxing the rich but sheesh this thing even gives me the heebee jeebies.

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Any such proposal is just a

Any such proposal is just a first brick in an even grander design.

I'm looking through my telescope to see if I can read the name of the design. While it's hard to make out, the first three letters look like S-O-C.....

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To be clear, the homecare

To be clear, the homecare payroll tax would not be as high as FICA - I think it's 1.9% for employees and 3.8% if you're self-employed.
Given the top Maine marginal tax rate of 7.15%, the new tax amounts to a 25% tax increase on every dollar over $128,400 or a 53% tax increase if you're self-employed.
Say your daughter is a physical therapist and owns her practice.
She would experience a 53% tax increase on earnings over $128,400 if this referendum passes.

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Such plans use static

Such plans almost always use static analysis. They assume no-one changes their behavior and/or location because of new policies.

They assume no one moves because of tax increases, and no one new comes to town to take advantage of new freebies. Combine the two effects to a sufficient degree, and you have an economic death spiral.

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The same people pushing this

The same people pushing this claim to want more young, successful people to live in Maine.
They have no idea what they're doing.
My 32 year-old son lives in Texas where he pays no state income tax.
He earns quite a bit in high tech sales.
There is no way he would come back to Maine and volunteer to forfeit more than 9% of a third of his income. Ridiculous.

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I hope he’s putting away a

I hope he’s putting away a bunch of money for your future nursing home room.

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"These people ......have no

"These people ......have no idea what they're doing."

Yup. As I've said before about Maine's high marginal tax rates, if a state GUARANTEES that residency will cost 2% (or much more) than the average state then it will have fewer residents willing to pay that cost. A state that tries to redistribute income ends up redistributing taxpayers.

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One or more books have been

One or more books have been written on the phenomenon in recent years.

Some won't move, of course, because they pay no tax, and live in someone else's house.

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Matt, he's young and there's

Matt, he's young and there's no guarantee he will continue with his high earnings in a very competitive world. So he is investing carefully and planning for the future.
But yes, my husband and I did our part to provide for the future. We had four kids, all independent and making their way in the world, paying into FICA to support all the elders on SS and Medicare. We also have planned well for our own "retirement" though it's possible we may choose never to retire. In the event one of us needs nursing home care, we'd want our kids to sell our house to pay for it.
Ironically, if they were able to stay in Maine (two are still here, but may leave), we'd be able to rely on them to help us some day.

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@mainemom: "My 32 year-old

@mainemom: "My 32 year-old son lives in Texas where he pays no state income tax."

Well the downside is you have to live in Texas. "The way life Shouldn't be".
TANSTAAFL

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Texas is a huge state with a

Texas is a huge state with a limited number of liberals concentrated in the urban centers.
What's the downside?

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Texas is very welcoming to

Texas is very welcoming to young people.
But so backward! Why, most of the people I've met there have never heard of my alma mater!
Quote: "What's that Bowdoin on your tee shirt?"
Can you imagine?

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It's a town in Maine, right?

It's a town in Maine, right?

mainemom: thanks for your report. At this age, with a crap jar full to overflowing, I can no longer force myself to watch such events in the name of being informed.

I guess I pretty much would have expected what you describe.

Liberals/progressives only have one hammer and we are the nails. The hammer is OPM. There is not a single societal ill or imperfection that they don't believe can be fixed with more government and more money.

They have no interest in managing the enterprise of government or pushing for excellence. They prefer excess instead, and lobby for it by employing the grown up version of "it's for the children."

No thought of eliminating antiquated, wasteful programs and spending to free up funds for other uses. No denying the pleas of loonies of all sorts (see passenger rail.)

Santa Claus minus the brains. The capital building as the North Pole.

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Maine colleges are well known

Maine colleges are well known in New England. I'd never heard of any of them until I moved to the area. I've lived in 7 states.

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Udall, that’s a bigoted

Udall, that’s a bigoted comment. How dare you use generalizations like “liberals/progressives” that lump everyone together! You are talking about INDIVIDUALS! And be sympathetic in your analysis! Not to mention “there is not a single societal I’ll or imperfection that they....” again with the universalizing generalizations?

Hey, Myopic Mike! A little help! Bring your ticket book please!

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The collection of individuals

The collection of individuals that were on display at the reported event were each and every one a progressive, liberal, left-wing pinko-commie extremist that one by one exhibited the traits described.

There.

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Texas is ugly, flat, hot, and

Texas is ugly, flat, hot, and probably humid if you're living in certain places.

I know you guys are partisan tribalists but nobody is going to convince me that Texas is a more visually appealing than Maine.

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No one wants to convince you

No one wants to convince you that your biases might be wrong.

But there's beauty everywhere. Like here.

And here.

And here.

Then of course there's this. Big Bend

And this. Guadalupe Mountains

And this. Dinosaur Valley.

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I know you guys are partisan

I know you guys are partisan tribalists but nobody is going to convince me ..[insert disputable contention here.}

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Well said, mainemom, as there

Well said, mainemom, as there is indeed beauty of various forms in every state!

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I didn't say the entire state

I didn't say the entire state of Texas was ugly, just that, on average, it's uglier than Maine.

Disagree?

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The most ugly thought is the

The most ugly thought is the "home care referendum". It will be under funded and a mess if ever passed.

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As I may have said earlier,

As I may have said earlier, Bruce, but maybe not: that proposal will drive revenue generators out of the state to avoid the new tax, and suck new expense generators into the state to get the free care.

What a recipe for success and a "sustainable future."

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I totally agree.

I totally agree.
Add to that the difficulty of providing the services within a healthcare system that is already
challenged to staff such programs.

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There are other ways to avoid

There are other ways to avoid taxation without leaving the state, look for more money moved to deferred taxation retirement accounts and other investment vehicles that avoid the taxman for those who wish to stay put for reasons of family or other commitments. In fact, I wonder if the state could tell us how much Maine income was deferred to these accounts over the past 5 years to see the changes as they occur.

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I'm amused by Adam Cote's

I'm amused by Adam Cote's defense against Janet Mills's accusation that he used to be a Republican.

He enrolled in the GOP in 2000 so he could "vote against George W. Bush in the primary."

Doesn't that really mean he enrolled so he could vote FOR John McCain in 2000?
Our primary was on March 7.
GWB got 51% of the vote, McCain 44%, making Maine the only state in New England where Bush beat McCain.
McCain dropped out of the race March 9, after losing several states on the 7th.

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Meanwhile, in the press Herald article about Emily's List dropping $300,000 into the Dem race to help Mills, there is no mention that Emily Cain is the Executive Director of that organization.

Mills’ campaign spokesman Michael Ambler said the campaign “can’t control what EMILY’s List chooses to do” but said the organization has pushed hard nationally to get “pro-choice Democratic women elected.”

What a joke.

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Wow! Dues to be a "friend of

Wow! Dues to be a "friend of Emily" must be really steep.

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Wow! Dues to be a "friend of

Wow! Dues to be a "friend of Emily" must be really steep.

Costs quite a lot to keep the heifer fed............

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