None of the 100 largest churches have accepted pro-LGBT theology

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None of the 100 largest churches have accepted pro-LGBT theology

None of America's 100 largest churches are LGBTQ-affirming, new report says

I suppose we will have ignorant Biblical retorts, but support for traditional marriage remains a mainstream Christian idea, despite millions of dollars spent trying to change social conventions.

The MSM, though, keeps looking for one:

Time’s Elizabeth Dias identified GracePointe as “one of the first evangelical megachurches in the country to openly stand for full equality and inclusion of the LGBTQ community.”

GracePointe, with 700-800 weekly attendees at its height, was not actually a megachurch, typically defined as a congregation with worship attendance greater than 2,000 persons.

GracePointe and the Elusive LGBT-affirming Megachurch

LGBT advocates will continue their search for the elusive LGBT-affirming megachurch. Where they won’t find it is at the former GracePointe campus in Franklin, Tennessee, now vacant.

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Same sex marriage is the law

Same sex marriage is the law of the land per the Supreme Court, the highest power in our secular nation.

Don’t like gay marriage, don’t marry a member of your own sex. Pretty simple.

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If only that was enough. But

If only that was enough. But NO.

The left is not tolerant of dissent, and seeks a church which will cave to lgbtq ideology so that can be used to pressure others of faith to do the same.

All must agree with them... or else the pressure will continue.

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Lol expat, good one!

Lol expat, good one!

Thankfully our Founding Fathers were Theists, not rabid bible thumpers and they created a strong secular nation.

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Deists, our Founding Fathers

Deists, our Founding Fathers were Deists.

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Lies, liars. (or maybe you're

Lies, liars. (or maybe you're just fools). Learn American history.

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I stand corrected, expat.

I stand corrected, expat. Thank you.

Our Founding Fathers never meant for America to be a theocracy, nor was our country founded on xtianity.

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It is however evident they

It is however evident they had no problem with some of the principles found in various religions teachings .
The main interest was not to have a national religion .

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It is however evident they

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Keep on fighting the good

Keep on fighting the good fight of loving people by telling them they’re going to hell, Tom C!

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I notice that I haven't seen

I notice that I haven't seen any posts from Jasper recently. Have my prayers been answered that he has seen the light and his soul is saved?

...I am still praying for you, Matt. That you'll get a date! Any news there?

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The credibility of mega

The credibility of mega churches and their pious exalted and anointed clergy rate right alongside politicians in my book...Whether you like it or not gay folks are part of the the social fabric....each to their own , we've all got issues.

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The problem is focus on

The problem is focus on worldly things, and desires of the flesh, rather than serving God, will lead away from His Kingdom. It's a difficult thing to do.

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How come none of you guys

How come none of you guys ever quote John Jay?

"No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion. Should our Republic ever forget this fundamental precept of governance, we will then, be surely doomed."

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

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That would be John Jay,

That would be John Jay, slaveholder? John Jay, hater of Catholics?

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Matt, you can’t fault John

Matt, you can’t fault John Jay.

The bible condones slavery.

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http://www.pewresearch.org

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/08/why-americas-nones-dont-...

"A growing share of Americans are religiously unaffiliated. We recently asked a representative sample of more than 1,300 of these “nones” why they choose not to identify with a religion. Out of several options included in the survey, the most common reason they give is that they question a lot of religious teachings."

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John Jay was a slaveholder,

John Jay was a slaveholder, and then turned around and supported emancipation.

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More theological analysis of

More theological analysis of Christianity by social justice atheists? Spare me.

J.C. (the historical one, not our local one) was very clear on this. It's your eternal soul, not your body, he was trying to save.

The scriptures do not support slavery, the issue is irrelevant except as a measure of those imposing slavery. You are supposed to concentrate on eternity, not your current circumstances. Your behavior should reflect that, and this is where abolitionist views originated - as a reflection of God's grace, not the purpose of that grace.

The "liberation theology" of the current pope is part of this errant view of religion's purpose.

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Carter, you of all people

Carter, you of all people should never try to interpret the Bible. You have absolutely no idea what the Bible says or means, nor sadly will you ever.

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Yeah, TC. Leave the cherry

Yeah, TC. Leave the cherry-picking to the "real" Christians. LOL.

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John Jay was a slaveholder,

John Jay was a slaveholder, and then turned around and supported emancipation. Correct, and anyone can, and should, be redeemed for seeing the light. Why, I remember how Robert Byrd was applauded right here on AMG for his change of heart. Oh wait......

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The bible condones slavery.

The bible condones slavery.

And our Biblical scholar looks up from his bong, blows out a big cloud of smoke and gravely intones on the topic that he is an expert!

Why, I remember how Robert Byrd was applauded right here on AMG for his change of heart. Oh wait......

Actually, Robert Byrd redeemed himself when he gave one of the greatest speeches ever made from the floor of the Senate:

Robert Byrd Barbaric

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Slavery is still acceptable

Slavery is still acceptable and practiced in the muslim world, yet we are admonished to embrace and accommodate Islamic law and its medieval ism ,if we don't we are racist. but then again they execute their homosexuals......

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Christians, and (Republicans)

Christians, and (Republicans) led the anti-slavery movement in the West.

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Correct, Tom C!

Correct, Tom C!

The Republican Party was formed from the ashes of the old Whig party, by Lincoln and others (including the brother of slain abolitionist Elijah Parish Lovejoy), precisely to fight the spread of slavery. The issue for them wasn't whether but when & how to abolish slavery.

Who were they fighting? Democrats! Northern Dems who just wanted slavery left alone, and Southern Dems who wanted it expanded into the western territories...

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And now the solid south is

And now the solid south is solidly Republican, after the southern strategy employed by Nixon and Reagan. Why is this?

Tom, what does the Bible to have to say about women? Do you believe they should submit to their husbands?

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Hey Mattybubbles, do you?

Do you believe they should submit to their husbands?

Hey Mattybubbles, do you?

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And now the solid south is

And now the solid south is solidly Republican, after the southern strategy employed by Nixon and Reagan. Why is this?

Because "affirmative action" is not freeing and uplifting the downtrodden, it is instead enslaving them anew on the leftist "poverty plantations". Vote leftist, or lose your benefits. Vote leftist, because you can't do anything yourself - you're just not capable - so the government will do it for you. Vote leftist, you're just a victim who needs care - no need to worry about hopes and dreams or a life of your own - that's for leftist elites only.

The results of 50+ years of the "Great Society" speak for themselves. NOTHING is better, for anyone - but especially not for those who were supposed to be liberated from poverty. How can this be? How can this be, and no effort made to fix the problem? How can this be, and any effort by anyone else to fix the problem is rebuffed, blocked, and resisted at every turn? Simple - the result IS the goal. It's not malfunctioning, it's doing exactly what its leftist plantation owners intended it to do: create a permanent voting block to keep leftists in power. Think of this as "permanent majority 1.0".

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Tom C

Tom C
Per usual this thread has devolved into a hijacked mess.

I see it as quite simple. Those seeking "affirmation" really are seeking a theology based on biblical teaching that do not classify homosexuality as a sin.
So far not much luck in that evidently.
There is IMO two issues that can and usually do destroy congregations ,homosexuality and abortion .But it has become increasingly difficult; to have a thread relating to religious beliefs. Just like in the secular world it isn't the end and what happens to a person it is the things that occur before the end.

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