Calling AMG's leading critics.....

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Melvin Udall
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Calling AMG's leading critics.....

Matt, expat, Thomas Carter, and I suppose others, have tossed around incendiary replies to any and all comments on immigration and other hot button issues of the moment under discussion here on AMG. "Racist" seems to be a dominant element of these replies.

Accordingly, it's time for the aforementioned to become proactive rather than reactive on these issues.

I hereby ask that each specifically lay out the basics of their immigration policy proposals, including such matters as whether we should have a border or not, what should be the limits and controls on who comes in and how and why, etc.

Then fill us in on your solutions for the school shootings in recent years.

And while you're at it, how you would restore civility to public discourse in politics, cultural, and social justice matters.

Have at it, you experts. Shame us all with your insights and innovative structural policy proposals.

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Why should a nation have

Why should a nation have borders Mel or laws, we live in the greatest debtor nation of all time.

Forgetaboutit, ride it into the ground, like Slim Pickens riding that fatboy into the Soviet Union.

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There is really no need to

There is really no need to try and shame you, Mel. It's reward enough for me to imagine your spittle-faced rage as you were writing the above, not to mention the accompanying incontinence.

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expat

expat
Give us your solution ideas. Some of us would love to hear them.

Tom C
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Matt, expat, Thomas Carter,

Matt, expat, Thomas Carter, and I suppose others,

Speaking of spittle-faced rage, why didn't you include our little brother Jasper?

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Jasper being the alter-ego of

Jasper being the alter-ego of the truck stop tranny that went by Underminer on TMC? Hesheit would seem to be a perfect fit for the group.

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Jasper being the alter-ego of

Jasper being the alter-ego of the truck stop tranny that went by Underminer

Now that's funny.

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For those who enjoy spittle

For those who enjoy spittle-faced rage Jasper, Underminer, Hesheit, often provides it.

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All Mel it's about 12 hours

All Mel it's about 12 hours later and there seems to be NO constructive suggestions. I guess that means the thread is dead.

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Here's my solution

Here's my solution (shamelessly stolen from the GOP):
Tall walls but large doors. The current policy of letting in a fixed number of immigrants per nation is silly, considering every nation has a different population.

Strip all quotas, let in as many people as want to enter, but track the shit out of them. ID cards, facial recognition, finger printing, non-removable GPS on government issued phones.

If you lose your job to someone that can't speak English, you really need to stop being an entitled loser and work harder, or maybe reconsider your life choices.

Any immigrant has to prove that they have a job (i.e. all income is above board, no cash payments, so it's taxed), and if they don't, they get kicked out and can't return for some fixed amount of time.

Any conviction, you and your family get the boot permanently.

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That is what we are looking

That is what we are looking for.

Melvin Udall
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Looks like "the enlightenment

Looks like "the enlightenment" for AMG, courtesy of our brightest and best, is still in the cask aging.

Mike G
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A Coward

A Coward

If that is the best you can come up for immigration, let them all in but track them and turn America into more of a police state then it already is, well I'd have to say you might belong with the loony left.

I'd say let none of them in, deport as many as we can and if you are pissed at the 96 million Americans out of the workforce, quit paying them not to work.

See that is the hard choice and politicians don't make hard choices, nor do the loony left, they figure that allowing illegals in to work while paying Americans not to work is somehow good for the country.

What you propose is just a twist on what America presently does with a nice police state overtone.

And if the 96 Americans who aren't working were told they wouldn't get a check, the politicians would have some explaining to do, just like Lucy. The shit would hit the fan big time and politicians heads would roll. Can't have that, these politicians are hoping for their golden parachute and like you, they just want to kick the can down the road again with another scheme.

The politicians created the 96 million Americans not in the workforce, they allowed our country to be mined and good jobs sent to third world countries, they allowed the mountain of debt. They passed all the Great Society bullshit that created the welfare Moms and SSI receipts, and they allowed our open borders to replace American workers.

Who did all this, why those lovely parachutes in DC, and Trump continues it.

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Yes, stop being an entitled

Yes, stop being an entitled loser and work harder.

Eight hour days? You wimp.

5 day weeks? Fuggetabbatit, snowflake.

Paid holidays? Vacations?

Yeah, in your safe space, maybe.

... I think he might be onto something....

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https://www.zerohedge.com

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-25/words-fail-me-its-insanity-ins...

An example of the genius of Musk and the politicians that supported him. Tesla needs more illegal immigrants to assemble state of the art electric vehicles in tent covered parking lot. Maybe he should have not invested so much money into putting a Tesla in orbit? More corporate/state genius?

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Here's an interesting

Here's an interesting solution for the long term problem:

"U.S. Code Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 95, Section 1956 states:
Whoever, knowing that the property involved in a financial transaction represents the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity, conducts or attempts to conduct such a financial transaction… shall be sentenced to a fine of not more than $500,000 or twice the value of the property involved in the transaction, whichever is greater, or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both.
Whoever transports, transmits, or transfers, or attempts to transport, transmit, or transfer a monetary instrument or funds from a place in the United States to or through a place outside the United States...shall be sentenced to a fine of not more than $500,000 or twice the value of the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer, whichever is greater, or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both.

Any financial institution or any officer, director, or employee of any financial institution...found guilty of an offense under this section…shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense."

Remittances to Mexico

Any monies earned by a person living in the United States illegally are the result of an unlawful activity because that person cannot legally hold a job and earn money in the U.S. An illegal alien who transfers monies earned in the United States to a foreign country is guilty of money laundering since the monies were the result of an unlawful activity. A bank and the bank employees that facilitate such a transfer also are guilty of money laundering. Strict enforcement of the money laundering statute would serve several purposes.
First it would cut off the flow of remittances to Mexico. These remittances represent a substantial portion of Mexico’s GDP. As long as the remittances keep flowing into Mexico, the Mexican Government is rewarded for supporting illegal immigration into the United States. But if the U.S. made it clear that the remittances were going to be stopped, and those assets forfeited as required by law to the U.S. Treasury, then Mexico might see the light and agree to seal its borders and begin enforcing its own quite strict immigration laws


https://canadafreepress.com/article/a-two-step-approach-that-begins-to-s...

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Could we please get back to

Could we please get back to the request to have Matt, TC, and expat regale us with their policy prescriptions?

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I give anonymous_coward major

I give anonymous_coward major credit for offering his idea. I like the work requirement; I would compound it by adding that no public assistance even to the children is allowed, except for school. Private charity is fine.

I have my doubts about the lack of any limit on the numbers, though. Could we absorb all the starving people of Venezuela moving here, for instance? Maybe the job requirement is on the front end: have your job lined up before you come. Then they need housing - can the market supply enough housing, in a timely fashion? Will schools be overcrowded, and if so, how are districts to pay for expansion?

Beyond all that, there is still the matter of enforcement. What happens when CNN shows us pictures of unemployed migrants being detained for deportment?

BTW, yes, I know Venezuela is on the list of countries subject to the so-called travel ban. (But you thought it was directed at Muslims!)

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When I go into a grocery

When I go into a grocery store and see a single pear priced at $1.75, I realize that not only aren't the farmworkers making out with the cheap labor express, neither are the consumers.

The whole thing is a scam run by the corporate establishment, and the DEM-E and GOP-E are bought in up to their eyebrows. Trump is right to shake it up.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/27/donald-trump-offers-a...

Trump is just another asshole in DC, we elect the lesser of two assholes and THAT is all we do.

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Wow. I thought my puppy has

Wow. I thought my puppy has ADD, but not like this.

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Why would anyone want to

Why would anyone want to seriously engage with you? You'd forgot what was said in an instant and wander off looking for ka-ka to finger paint with.

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"Why would anyone want to

"Why would anyone want to seriously engage with you? You'd forgot what was said in an instant and wander off looking for ka-ka to finger paint with."

...which, being interpreted means "I am incapable of having a rational discussion, and don't actually have any intelligent thoughts on this (or any other) subject, so I'll just default to my usual rude and condescending manner of posting to hide my ignorance and inability to present any rational argument".

You're welcome.

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Yes...he wasn't supposed to

Yes...he wasn't supposed to "engage" with me, but with AMG and it's community of readers.

You know, Matt, TC, and the rest.

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Why would anyone want to

Why would anyone want to seriously engage with you?

Which "you" is that, expat? Is it the "you" in the mirror?

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The first step is to

The first step is to determine if we want to allow positive immigration into our country. It seems like a simple question but the reality is that it's not. The US has an aging population and our birth rate continues to decline, which means that population growth may even go negative. If you want to know what impacts this may lead to, look at Japan.

Without population growth our economy will falter. The rising average age in the US also negatively impacts our economy. So unless Americans increase the birthrate, the only plausible recourse is to not just allow immigration into the US, but to encourage it.

Ideally, we would only want the best and brightest to emigrate here. But what nation wants to lose that indigenous population? And the best and brightest of other nations might not be the demographic that our economy desires.

So, if we agree that immigration is the only practical way to stave off population decline, the next question is: who are the folks best suited to immigrate here?

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I don't agree that

I don't agree that "immigration is the only practical way to stave off the population decline."

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who are the folks best suited

who are the folks best suited to immigrate here

Obviously the ones flowing across our southern border illegally, because that is the practicality of most of it.

The assumption by the two party farcical is that we need immigration to replace US native neerdowells and American educated idiots, or one would assume, considering that congress continually approves greater number of educated foreigners to legally immigrate here and take jobs away from American college grads.

See Americans spend billions educating idiots and lazy fks, and students borrow billions to get a college education and can't pay it back, so congress has to get thousands of foreigners to replace Americans, so corporation can pay these foreigners lower wages that makes them more competitive in the world economy.

Americans are a bunch of lazy ignorant bastards and obviously can't even breed enough to replace their native population. The fact that many are saddled with student loans that have to be paid back, in the billions, and have to compete with illegals for service industry jobs that pay squat, certainly not enough to pay off the 35k they wasted going to college.

You're broke as shit and you have to live in your parents basement, some shithole apartment and work for minimum wage or a buck or two over, and you sure as shit aren't going to start a family and buy a house. Yeah you friggen loser, blow your brains out or get stoned as shit, because look what DC gave you and you wasted it, a service economy and a college debt.

Maybe at some point these stoned out ignorant in-debt Americans will figure out that someone got the gold mine and they got the shaft. And it sure isn't the foreigners that screwed them over, it is DC and their corporate masters.

Too stupid to breed OK. And you didn't build that!

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Look, the special interest

Look, the special interest groups and the social engineers gave us this cr@p sandwich. Start by promoting the work ethic and make marriage meaningful and honorable, and make families respectable again.

Yes. I know, I'm a Neanderthal. How dare I.

And don't get me started on the education juggernaut. From preschool to post-graduate school, for the most part, it's a disaster.

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#1 Build the wall.

#1 Build the wall.
#2 Pass legislation directing ALL illegal, non documented non citizens to immediately report to documentation centers to register for extreme vetting for eventual naturalization under that program. Any failing to gain citizenship within a certain amount of time (2-5 years) will be sent back. Any guilty of ANY crime gets sent back. Give them six months, and then start rounding up and sending back the ones that don't respond.
#3 Build the dam wall.
#4 End chain migration and immigration lottery system.
#5 Build the wall, dammit.
#6 Stop automatic citizenship for children born on US soil.
#7 Build the goddam wall.
#8 Scrutinize and seize all illegal cross border monetary transactions between illegal aliens and their families. Use that money to fund #s1,3,5,7,and 9.
#9 Build that wall now.

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Gerald said,

Gerald said,
the next question is: who are the folks best suited to immigrate here?

I suppose just agreeing on what are the right questions will be an accomplishment.
It's true that our fertility rate is declining, though it hasn't yet reached below-replacement levels. We're living well past the New Deal retirement age, so unless we dramatically increase the age at which we become entitled to Medicare and Social Security, we need to increase the pool of younger people in the workforce, "paying into the system."

At the same time, we can learn from Sweden's experience with expansive benefits and high taxes, where resentment is building among Swedes who have been paying heavily but find it not so easy to collect the benefits they are promised.

Now Even Swedes Are Questioning the Welfare State

Paying some of the world’s highest income-tax rates has been the cornerstone of Scandinavia’s social contract, with the political consensus in Sweden to save money for when the economy is less healthy. Yet the country is showing strains all too familiar in other parts of Europe with nationalists gaining support and Swedes increasingly questioning the sustainability of their fabled cradle-to-grave welfare system.

Resentment has built over the influx of more than 600,000 immigrants over the past five years, many from war-ravaged countries like Afghanistan and Syria, a huge number for a country of 10 million people.

We also need to weigh the arguments of Bernie Sanders and other Democratic Socialists who, along with some Trump voters, say low-skill immigrant workers depress wages for Americans. Missed Opportunity in 2009 Progressives might retort that setting a high minimum wage will guard against depressed wages, but the harsh reality of such a solution is going to be depressed employment among low-skilled individuals, and more people on public benefits.

The Swedes' experience implies that a generous welfare state can't be supported when large numbers of immigrants are eligible for benefits and not paying into the system. Combine that with Bernie's warning about depressed wages and you can make a case for limiting immigration to those who have well-paying jobs lined up, and the family members they promise to support.

A further question is, does immigration strain the resources of public schools and hospitals? If so, is it fair to place that burden on the local communities who feel the strain? What can be done to mitigate that strain?

Going through these questions in an objective fashion points to the logic of limiting the numbers of immigrants while also setting an employment requirement.

So the next question is, how can such a policy be enforced? As I asked earlier, what happens when CNN shows video of would-be immigrants who are met with enforcement actions? Can the policy withstand such manipulation of our emotions?

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