The Plastic Bag Scam

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The Plastic Bag Scam

I read that Rockland Maine has banned the use of single-use plastic bags. I know the Town loser leaders and the Liberal bed-wetters feel all gooey and virtuous over this act of government control over our minds and activities. There is strong evidence that banning such bags is harmful to our health, the environment etc. Suffice it to say the cheering crowd of bag-heads don't know, don't care and won't find out about the opposing view. You know, the Liberal mantra is "If you disagree with me you are wrong".

Put a bag over your head

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I remember walking down

I remember walking down Boylston street in Boston years ago, and the plastic bags were everywhere, blowing down the road, stuck in the trees and bushes.

All I could think of was: What a bunch of slobs.

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Potland instituted a $.05

Potland instituted a $.05 charge on plastic bags for c-stores and other retailers in an effort to curb blowing trash and reduce the plastic in the landfills.....No report on the success of that effort. However I always find it amazing how selective these eco Nazis are...if you are going after "plastic bags" why not a charge on fertilizer bags, insulation comes in plastic wrap, mulch, potting soil , pet food..... you get the picture...I guess that stuff doesn't end up in the land fill.....

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I don't see many fertilizer

I don't see many fertilizer bags blowing around.

Where are these coming from? Are people getting thier pints of Thunderbird or half-dozen cinnamon nips at the local convenience store, and just throwing the bags away? I buy stuff all the time. But I don't just throw the bags into the wind at the first opportunity.

It's like I see kids nowadays getting candy and just throwing the wrapper on the floor. What is going on?

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Enjoy this:
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When asked if I want purchase

When asked if I want purchase a bag I respond thusly.
"No, I prefer getting robbed in parking lot" !

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FWIW paper bags (and the

FWIW paper bags (and the consumption of any paper product, for that matter) help Maine's economy.

I personally prefer plastic b/c I use them for waste baskets but TBH if teenagers are going to leave them all over the place, screw the bags.

(Also it's worth mentioning that any germs on reusable bags are completely wiped out by the super-germs that my child brings home from school.)

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Hey dummies,

Hey dummies,

I know a conservative who worked for an environmental organization that did a study with an in-river catch basin in a major waterbody to the south. 90% of the trash that was caught in the basin was plastic bag refuse. When the municipality banned plastic bags, litter in the rivers practically disappeared.

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Smegma II

Smegma II
Look Smegma has already determined us to be "dipshits" so keep up with the program.

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Several months ago I wrote

Several months ago I wrote and told the Brunswick Town Council they were sending coals to Newcastle when they proposed a ban on plastic bags. The reason being that nearly everything in the store is packed in plastic and putting it a plastic bag at the end is just the tip of the iceberg and will accomplish nothing. In England they thought they solved this problem but all the vendors did was sell the customer a plastic bag and make him bag his own merchandize.

Some of us old enough to remember when you went to the bakery to get your bread and brought it home in your own bag or you waited for the Dugan Man to come to the house so you buy bread, cakes and pastries without packaging. The milkman delivered your milk, cream, eggs and even ice cream in containers you would clean and give back to have them refilled. You went to the grocer and the butcher with your own bag and the only packaging you got was Kraft paper (renewable resource) to keep the blood from the meat and the slime from the fish from ruining your shopping bag. There is no reason the same thing can't be done today, except for the idiots who run our towns, our states and our country, keeping overreacting and banning things. Confirming my assessment of politicians, the Brunswick Town Council still banned the use of plastic bags, which under the Town Charter and even the Constitution of the state, they have no authority.

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WTF

WTF

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A group I belong to "adopts"

A group I belong to "adopts" a segment of a road in our Town and every year we walk it and pick up all the crap one sees. We find a lot of:

1. Cigarette packs
2. Hundreds of Nips bottles
3. One year we picked up 60 - 80 whipped cream cans. The cream was still in them but the gas was gone. A huffers dream.
4. Beer cans
5. Baby diapers (Used)
6. Paper plates
7. Tons of fast food drink and paper and plastic food containers (this is where we need to add deposits)
8. Thousands of cigarette butts
There are almost NO plastic bags.

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Many of us remember

Many of us remember returnable bottles. The bottles were steam cleaned, and then used again. It has to be very wasteful of energy to melt them all down and recast the bottles!

My biggest pet peeve is the mantra that styrefoam isn't recyclable. There were demonstrations of how to do this at Yale back in the 1970s. Styrefoam is created by mixing two chemicals. It turns out, if you add a bit more of one of the chemicals to shredded styrefoam, it turns back into liquid. Add a bit more of the other chemical and push the slurry into a mold... voila! It's styrefoam again! Literally within seconds. Yet we still do not recycle it. Styrefoam also burns cleanly and quite well at high heat, so is perfect for trash energy. We still put it all in the landfill.

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I note that there are

I note that there are biodegradable plastic grocery bags on the market. The ones I saw were $0.02 per bag. I wonder why these are not considered by the warm hearted, peace loving and tolerant bag banning bag men and women. Did Rockland investigate? i did not see any where in the news about Rockland about:

1. How they tested their premise that non-plastic is better for the environment,
2. How they intend to address all the really big, hard and indestructible plastic still in the store (ever try to open blister pack of something?)
3. How are the stores going to vet people who are too poor to afford the penny bags?
4. Will this affect minorities disproportionately? They have less money and no other bags. Grocery bag discrimination?
5. What about the fast-food paper/plastic products produced and thrown out by the trillions?

Mindless, feel good laws to make life less enjoyable.

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"It has to be very wasteful

"It has to be very wasteful of energy to melt them all down and recast the bottles!"

But less wasteful than staring from silica.

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These crusades have taken on

These crusades have taken on a kind of inevitableness when it coms to local elected officials.

My biggest issue with it is the lack of specifics reference cost tax payers to deal with issue i.e. how many are picked up by workers, cost of disposal
etc.etc. along with any damage caused. Spell these things out so citizens can make as reasonable decision.

So far my city has avoided the issue. The last attempt to deal with waste was years ago when they wanted to change system which would ave saved the average taxpayer $27 dollars on our taxes !Not bad except it would have cost $132 in trash bags for a year(family of 5).

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We have become a nation of

We have become a nation of overreaction. I recall one of the reasons the bottle deposit or recycling was terminated was that someone put a safety pin in a bottle. It couldn't be cleaned out by steaming (sterilizing) and the next person who bought that bottle, which by some strange reasons slipped by the inspectors, and all hell broke loose ending in bottle recycling. The next episode was the poisoning of a bottle of aspirin. What followed was a mass rush to find ways to seal bottles so the buyer could know the inside wasn't tampered with.

When the planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the government immediately stopped all flights for over a week, nearly bankrupting several airlines and of course disrupting the business upon which the airlines rely. The response was the Transportation Safety Authority with its tens of thousands of employees whose efforts to date, although there have not been any more replications of 9/11, have not proven to be effective against anyone really desiring to bring down aircraft. Years before these things happened but not on a mass scale and it was proven to be someone who wanted to collect on insurance. You can't buy flight insurance at airports anymore. and that put a stop to it.

As I posted on another topic, the only sure way to prevent the incident in Florida is to abolish public schools. It would be a boon to the public because the public schools are not doing a very good job anyway and the only reason parents don't home school is both parents have to work in order to survive as a family and those that choose to still have to pay the tax that funds the government mandated monopoly. I contend that had we done nothing after 9/11 we would experience the same result as we see today without all the cost of our government's reaction. The reason, the perpetrators would have been shown that their actions did not bring the results intended.

The actions of the shooter in Florida and 9/11 are two different and distinct actions. Your government however tries to lump them together to justify an overreaction and you cannot say that one of the first things they started looking for was a connection to radical Islam. The Florida shooter, whether he realized it or not performed his act of hopelessness. His future was bleak and he was looking at homelessness as a future. What he failed to realize is that many of our present generation will be facing the same future because their are fewer and fewer jobs being created to absorb our every growing population. The smart money would look at this plight and conclude that a life in a government prison is certainly better than living under a bridge and begging each day for enough food to sustain you for another day. That is what I plan to do when the money I have saved on my own, plus Social Security which is current dollars stolen from those who work, no longer can pay what it costs me to live.

The taxes I pay are nearly double the salary I earned when I first started work and that expense is not included in the governments COLA calculations. An economic system that allows that to happen, as I support with facts in my book The Real Economy must ultimately.

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...must ultimately leave us

...must ultimately leave us hanging.

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Don't worry about why they

Don't worry about why they did this.
Just feel good for the feel good liberals that did this to feel good.
Can you feel it now?

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“Half the harm that is done

“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” - T. S. Elliot.

One of my favorite quotes. Intentions over results.

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Yes it must.

Yes it must.

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Mine too, Mainelion, and it

Mine too, Mainelion, and it is proven every day by stupid liberals that want to throw money (usually other people's) at a problem and then walk away to the next victim or group of victims, not realizing what harm they've done.

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Ugenetoo

Ugenetoo
If you replace liberal with something conservative ,OPM with kcals you have just described pmconusa's posts !

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A funny thought,and I have

A funny thought,and I have lots of them,as I glanced around my kitchen this morning and just casually inventoried the amount of stuff I have in my kitchen......I thought wow when I was a kid we really were minimalalists compared to the amount of things of every size shape and description I possess today. I’ll wager most others here are the same.........And the I thought almost every item there came wrapped or boxed in cardboard or plastic and that all went into a landfill ........And then you start doing the math milllions and millions of home filled up with stuff and ......a plastic carry out bag seems like small potatoes.......

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Plastic Bag horror solved.

Plastic Bag horror solved. There is a bag out there that looks like, act like and perfoms like plastic but...it is made out of a vegetable! Great for the environment (it dissolves in water), good for the animals (it can be eaten).

Thank God, a world killing threat has been averted.

Tasty grocery bag

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When I lived in Spain not too

When I lived in Spain not too many years ago every section of Barcelona had a market at which people (mostly women) shopped every day with their little tote bag. The fruit and vegetable vendors would not even let you touch their wares and you pointed to the item you wanted and it was weighed or priced and given to you to put in your little bag. That is except for raw meat and fish.

Nearly every corner had refuse bins and bottle bins for the different colors of glass. Light poles bore baskets to throw minor refuse like gum wrappers, cigarette packs, and other small disposables. They were emptied each day and once a week a water wagon would come around and wash the streets and sidewalks. All of this material, and there wasn't really that much of it was hauled away much to our delight. It was all dumped in a hole in the ground like as in Toronto it was covered over with dirt and turned into a park. I still recall looking out a friends window in suburban Toronto and having the area pointed out.

Even if there were no more people added to our population, garbage is a fact of life that has to be dealt with. Americans are the biggest creators of garbage in the world and we persist in making more of it than any other society on the planet.

As Johnw points out, just look around your house. I did and counted over 40 chairs and there are only two of us, living in a house that has over 4000 sq. ft. of floor space, the tax on which is 50% more than I made my first year of work. A society that allows so much excess cannot possibly be sustained.

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Isn't that a "progressive

Isn't that a "progressive thought" ?

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