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Some interesting stats

I know it is dangerous to put out stats or any kind of data not personally vetted or checked for accuracy. I am doing it anyway. Let the Liberal/Swine jump all over it with their fake facts, news and smiles.

>> 1. These 10 states currently have more people on welfare than working:
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>> California
>> New Mexico
>> Mississippi
>> Alabama
>> Illinois
>> Kentucky
>> Ohio
>> New York
>> Maine
>> South Carolina
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>> 2. Last month, the Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2012, between food stamps, housing support,child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. Household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support. What's the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day. To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30.00 an hour without actually having to work, while the average job pays $24.00 an hour.
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>> 3. Check the last set of statistics!! The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet. You know what the private business sector is: A real business; not a government job. Here are the percentages:
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>> 38% T. Roosevelt
>> 40% Taft
>> 52% Wilson
>> 49% Harding
>> 48% Coolidge
>> 42% Hoover
>> 50% F. D. Roosevelt
>> 50% Truman
>> 57% Eisenhower
>> 30% Kennedy
>> 47% Johnson
>> 53% Nixon
>> 42% Ford
>> 32% Carter
>> 56% Reagan
>> 51% GHW Bush
>> 39% Clinton
>> 55% GW Bush
>> 8% Obama
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>> This helps explain the bias, if not the incompetence of the last administration. Only 8% of them had actually worked for a living. Working for a living does not include government jobs, academia, non-profit organizations, or community organizing.

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For 1, what is the definition

For 1, what is the definition of "welfare"? Does Medicaid, disability, unemployment count? Could you provide a source? Might be easier to vet that way.

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Civilian labor force: 700,600

Civilian labor force: 700,600
Employment: 679,600
Unemployment: 21,000
Unemployment rate: 3.0%

https://www.bls.gov/regions/new-england/maine.htm#eag_me.f.1

Population of Maine= 1,350,000.

So more than half are employed. Remove children, students and retires and “more people on welfare than working” doesn’t add up.

Now some people working for low wages may qualify for food stamps, Maine Care, etc. but to come anywhere close to “more people on welfare than working” you’re going to have to add in Social Security, Medicare, military and other government pensions, etc.

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Hasn't been some past fiqure

Hasn't been some past fiqure that 25% of people in Maine are on some assistance ?

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Unemployment stats from the

Unemployment stats from the gubbmint are bogus. If you have 100 people and 60 them are employed and 40 are looking for work, the unemployment rate is 40%. If, however, 20 of the 40 unemployed say "F" it, I am not even going to look anymore because there are no jobs out there, the government drops them from the unemployment roaster and tell us that the unemployment rate is now only 25% (20 divided by 80). That 20% who gave up are still unemployed but are not counted.

In answer to another question, anytime you get money from the government paid by someone else, you are on welfare. Home mortgage credit, Earned Income Credit, Social Security, Medicare, TIFFs, on and on are all welfare.

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"In answer to another

"In answer to another question, anytime you get money from the government paid by someone else, you are on welfare. Home mortgage credit, Earned Income Credit, Social Security, Medicare, TIFFs, on and on are all welfare."

So, using that logic one way or another all of us are on welfare?

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The unemployment rate is

The unemployment rate is supposed to measure the the relative supply & demand of the job market, i.e. how hard it is to get a job.

If there are 50 jobs, and 100 people and only 51 people want those jobs, that's different than if all 100 people are vying for the 50 jobs.

In any event, the rate is irrelevant, as the original post was measuring the total number of people on "welfare" (whatever that means) vs. those working.

I am guessing for the purposes of Alt-Right Mind Control Media (ARMCM) propaganda that "welfare" means any assistance whatsover, so if you are working and you are getting a child care assistance tax credit, you probably count as getting welfare.

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UN EMPLOYMENT

UN EMPLOYMENT
Sound it out.

UN.......NOT
EMPLOYMENT.....IN A JOB

NOT IN A JOB.
Only big government could so totally misrepresent a word to the extent that just because I am not doing or looking for a job, I wouldn't be counted as being eligible to be in the workforce.

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A-C, here is one definition

A-C, here is one definition of welfare which seems correct...

In the United States, depending on the context, the term “welfare” can be used to refer to means-tested cash benefits, especially the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program and its successor, the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Block Grant, or it can be used to refer to all means-tested programs that help individuals or families meet basic needs, including, for example, health care through Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits and food and nutrition programs (SNAP). It can also include Social Insurance programs such as Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, and Medicare.

Some of these programs are not "means tested". For example, Warren Buffet gets Medicare and Social Security. He certainly doesn't need it. In my opinion, it is welfare indeed although lots of ignorant people think Medicare and Social Security are guaranteed insurance kind of plans they paid for. I am certainly on welfare as I get Social Security bucks.

As for other tax reduction schemes such as the mortgage insurance deduction for example. Any plan that allows people to pay less taxes via a tax deduction has to be made up by another tax payer...ergo, welfare.

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Yes JackS...you are correct.

Yes JackS...you are correct.

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Sorry if I was vague - what I

Sorry if I was vague - what I meant was, "what is the definition of welfare in the context of the statistics you quoted"?

(Not the general definition of welfare, my point was to clarify the meaning of the statistics that you quoted. Using an excessively broad definition of welfare makes the statistics suggest that 1% of the people are working and the rest are being supported by them - which may be the case but I would like to know exactly what "supported by them" means.)

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