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Yeah, well, I've never been

Yeah, well, I've never been much for conventional thinking. So as you can imagine, I'm looking forward to hearing from this "Unionman". From what I've been told, he is like that cart-horse character named Boxer in George Orwell's book Animal Farm who has much devotion to Animal Farm's ideals but little ability to think about them independently. He naively trusts the pigs to make all his decisions for him. His two mottoes are “I will work harder” and “Napoleon is always right.” Stalinists everywhere can't ever succeed without these kinds of people.

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Hmmm...it's been a couple of

Hmmm...it's been a couple of days of this thread now and still no Unionman.

Could it be he has seen the light...or just been blinded by it?

Isn't it remarkable that NO ONE has shown up yet (or at all) to defend or dispute the coopted machinations of MSEA?

Reminds me of the silence of the old Soviet Embassy in DC after Solzenytzen's publication of his Gulag Archipeligo.

Faced with irrefutable and verifable truth, the Stalinists just retreated back into their bunker knowing their lies wouldn't work on anybody anymore.

Evil people that they are, they can't fight this good fight so they just run and hide from the sun light like the nocturnal woodland creatures that they are.

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BINGO Sonny, Man didn't take

BINGO Sonny, Man didn't take you long to figure the Union out. I too am surprised that democrat, unionman or some of the other Moonbats have not entered the discussion. Oh Wait, to have a good debate, ya gotta have FACTS. Damn pesky FACTS, they always get in the way of those folks. Oh Well!
I too say welcome aboard My Good Man. Enjoy reading ya.

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Thank you Town Crier! I look

Thank you Town Crier! I look forward to the march of the moonbats.

Maybe they're home right now reading Animal Farm for the first time and are having an epiphony.

Time will tell! Oh well, hope springs eternal, but in the meantime, I wouldn't loose any sleep waiting for them.

Their deafening silence says it all really.

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Unionman was seen on another

Unionman was seen on another thread yesterday, so he must be dodging these significant flaws with his union/PAC buddies and their activities.

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Can you blame him? I mean

Can you blame him? I mean how could anyone truthfully defend the Moe, Curley & Larry managment team at MSEA. Of course Unionman could always lie and deny, but that won't get him very far since as Towncrier pointed out: "Facts are pesky things." They are indeed.

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Due to concerns of the listed

Due to concerns of the listed Chronology by Mr. Sullivan, I asked my field rep if any of this is valid. His response was that he will be forwarding this over to the director of field services for a response. I have not heard anything back thus far.

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“The Bad News” by MSEA-SEIU

“The Bad News”
by MSEA-SEIU Local 1989 (05/01/09)

[url=http://www.mseaseiu.org/Story%2024.htm]Click Here[/url]

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Biddleford Steve, my bet is

Biddleford Steve, my bet is your Field Rep has a standing order from MSEA Managment not to discuss the Roy/Sullivan matter with any of the MSEA members. And sooner or later you'll hear back from Rodney Hiltz, probably after you get sick of waiting and call him yourself, and he'll tell you these are confidential Personnel matters that he cannot discuss with you. But note that Sullivan sent a Memo about his termination to the MSEA Board on 12-23-08 (that he also copied a lot of MSEA members on), wherein he expressly waived any right to confidentiality he had so that Board members or MSEA Management could discuss these matters with MSEA members. So do tell Hiltz this when he says that and if Hiltz still insists that Sullivan's waiver doesn't matter (and Roy's reservation of rights to discuss same in her own settlement agreement doesn't matter either) then ask him why that is so? Why the cover up? Because clearly Roy and Sullivan have nothing to hide. My good guess is Hiltz also has standing orders from Tim Belcher not to discuss this matter with anyone BECAUSE they know they don't have a case or defense AND they don't want anyone (especially dues paying members) to know that. It would be their admission to mis-management and wrongdoing. Therefore, It's the old got-nothing-of-value-to-say so best keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool rather than opening up your mouth and proving it --- which is MSEA Management in a nutshell.

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Mark, MSEA Management is

Mark, MSEA Management is already prepping their membership with the inevitable when they write this on their website: "In the Legislature and at the bargaining table, MSEA-SEIU members and staff are advocating for the services our members provide. This is an extraordinarily difficult time to negotiate public employee contracts and to advocate for public funding, yet we are determined to stand up for our members." I hate to say I told yo so, but the job of this State Democratic Party coopted MSEA Managment will be to sell the MSEA Members on what this Democratic Governor wants. And like I've said, maybe this is a good thing for Maine State taxpayers, but MSEA Managment isn't supposed to be representing the taxpayers anymore than say the Teamsters are supposed to be representing the Shareholders of any Corporate Managment the Teamsters are up against. Which of course begs the questions, why has MSEA Management given MSEA Members' hard earned dues, time and attention to this Democratic Party and Governor??? If ever there was a case to be made for partisan politics neutrality, this is it.

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Was Rodney Hiltz a state

Was Rodney Hiltz a state trooper at one time?

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I don't know. When MSEA

I don't know. When MSEA hired him they said he was out of the Paper Mills where he was active in the union there. And from what I understand in his position with the Paper Mill union Hiltz only ever had to deal there with one collective bargaining agreement and one employer much like a steward. Now overnight, thanks to the "wisdom" of Tim Belcher who hired him, Hiltz has to supervise MSEA Field Service Reps who deal with multiple collective bargaining agreements and multiple employers. As such all the people he supervises have more collective bargaining experience than he does which means they don't really look to him for leadership. Which begs the question: why did Belcher hire him? My guess is Belcher, like a lot of insecure managers, wanted someone who wasn't ever going to be a threat to outshine him, would always do as he was told and also be a convenient scapegoat when things go wrong. After all, Nero never blames himself. But don't ever feel sorry for Rodney Hiltz, because what goes around, comes around.

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If Mr. Sullivan did in fact

If Mr. Sullivan did in fact post this, I would assume that he would have authorization to release this. Also I don't think he would release such statements without documentation to back it up so he would not be held liable for such statements. If this is all true however, its concerning to say the least. As a member of MSEA i would hope this is false. MSEA should respond to me and put my concerns to rest.

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Biddleford Steve, if you read

Biddleford Steve, if you read the beginning post on this thread, Mark Turek says he posted this Chronology per Owen Sullivan's request, so clearly this is an authorized release of information. As for verification and documentation, I suggest you quietly get ahold of Field Service Reps you know and trust (and not ones who keep referring you back to Rod Hiltz) and have them verify this Chronology off-the-record with you so they won't be unnecessarily exposed to retaliation by MSEA Managment. Ask them to go through it with you line by line over coffee when they are next down in your neck of the woods. They may even be able to provide you with documentation and or put you directly in touch with Sullivan himself as can Mark Turek. As for liability of statements made in this Chronology or else where, I frankly don't see any and even if there was, well, the truth will be the defense. And when you finally if ever get to sit down with MSEA Managment about this, assuming they will even talk to you about it, demand verifiable documentation from them also to see if it supports any of their allegations or charges.

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Good luck getting Unionman to

Good luck getting Unionman to respond to anything concerning this.

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Well Islander, you know the

Well Islander, you know the saying: never shoot an elephant unless you know you can kill it.

So maybe we're all not giving Unionman his due...he knows MSEA is a ship sinking and now he knows we all know...so best not to go down with it.

Better still, slip over the railing when no one is looking and quietly row your own lifeboat to another ship.

It's either that or be like Eric Honniker shouting over the Berlin Wall that all is fine in East Germany as more and more East Germans vote with their feet.

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Since unionman has had a

Since unionman has had a habit of putting his foot in his mouth, I've heard the puppet masters at SEIU have a new short leash and muzzle for him. It's likely that those restricting impliments have now been installed on unionman. Poor fella...

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Well, that would explain a

Well, that would explain a lot too and in light of what I've read and heard about SEIU's Stalinist-in-Chief Andrew Stern and the anti-democratic union stunts he has pulled in places like Puerto Rico with the Teachers Union and California with the Healthcare Workers Union, all kinds of SEIU staff people drink the purple koolaid at SEIU HQ in DC like Jonestown true believers and so only parrot the script given them or they just remain silent like zeks in a Siberian prison camp waiting and hoping for freedom. Google the name "Sal Roselli" to learn more about this Stalinization of SEIU by Andrew Stern and his gang. All of which of course begs the question: why is MSEA paying $1.8 million dollars a year of their members dues to be affiliated with this anti-union organization? Again, what's the trade off for the MSEA members besides purple tee shirts and hats? Surely Unionman can answer these questions.

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The Union's response to that

The Union's response to that question Sonny is that they give the employee federal clout and a voice. All the while SEIU is laughing on the way to the bank with the dues money.

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You're exactly right F-R!

You're exactly right F-R! And as with any con by conmen, we dues paying victims who are getting ripped off need to put an end to this robbery otherwise it keeps going on and on with little or nothing to show for us except the purple hats and teeshirts. In fact, I am convinced that the only only other purpose of this Ponzi scheme, besides just enriching SEIU HQ and the Democrats, is to advance the SEIU career opportunities in DC of MSEA Managers in Augusta who keep selling us this fraud.

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You're right, Sonny, but that

You're right, Sonny, but that money trail of greed also runs deep into the Baldacci Administration and involves a lot of our tax dollars. The number of political hacks making big money at the taxpayers expense is extremely large and should be addressed, but that's just part of this insane circle running our state.

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Mark, I understand how that

Mark, I understand how that money trail of greed also runs deep into the Baldacci Administration (i.e. MSEA-SEIU funds for political campaigns), but how does this grand scheme also involve a lot of our tax dollars given Baldacci's current negotiating posture with MSEA (i.e. State has nothing so you get nothing) for the presently on-going Executive Branch bargaining?

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I have been getting caught up

I have been getting caught up on this threat from the last time I was on and WOW, I see we have Biddeford Steve being really naive of this Union and how it works. I do not know how long he's been in State Governement or if he has had to use the services of this Union. Well I have and I am not impressed at all. In fact if I could I would have fired them a long time ago but since they have gotten their way with the State and have Fairshare I have no choice in the matter unless I quit my job which I have had for over 20 years. Now that would be stupid but what they would love to see happen, or just give up. SORRY UNION, neither one of those things AIN'T HAPPENING! I am at this time in the middle of a grievence and so far see nothing from the Union being on my side, in fact they are bending towards the State so it just strengthens my belief of them being in bed with the State. So I will go along with this Joke of a Union and see what happens at the end of the tunnel, if there is one. I do know that they are getting ready for a new contract and it's been stated aound our office, Members should drop out and go the Fairshare route, which could weaken their ability to donate those funds to the Dems. Not an bad idea and even as a Fairshare member, they have to represent our interest. Something to think about, isn't it?

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Towncrier, I have been an

Towncrier, I have been an employee since 1990, and I too am in the midst of a grievance. Like yourself, I feel representation should be better. I have had concerns for quite some time. I have written many of our past field reps, spoken to Tim Belcher and others. I have emails from my managers saying that you can't train into other positions unless you qualify for the job by bid and yet they allow people "temps" to do the job even though in many cases at the time they had the same or less qualifications than long term employees. You would think that MSEA would look into this. I certainly have brought up my concerns to MSEA as have many other employees that I know.

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So I see it's working as well

So I see it's working as well for you as it has been for Me. LOL, Well welcome to my world and maybe enough will figure out these CON ARTISTS and we can get rid of them once and for all. I htink there must be a better way to get some good represeation, right now my thoughts are on what I have to do with this mess they have me in. Best of luck to you.

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Towncrier, at first glance,

Towncrier, at first glance, going the "fair share" route on MSEA seems like an interesting tactic, kind of like a low grade boycott. But my only concern about this is as "fair share" participants do you get to vote for or against the collective bargaining agreements, stewards and union officers? Or do you have to be full dues paying member to do all of that? Because if you do then you may want to think twice about giving up your membership because that would also qualify you (I think) to do a card check de-certification vote of MSEA. I don't know if "fair share" people can vote on de-certification or not. But remember, labor unions can't (as of yet) be certified as bargaining unit agents via card check, however they can be de-certified via card check. And that's a powerful threat that union members like yourself can use to bring about reform and control of your labor union. Just beware, while it is easy to de-certify a union like MSEA, it's still harder (so far anyway) to certify another union to come in and replace MSEA. Therefore, I would suggest inviting another labor union like AFSCME or whoever to come and make a sales pitch to your bargaining unit BUT be sure to also invite MSEA to come and sit in the audience if for nothing else to feel the heat of the free market. Then when the AFSCME pitch is done, turn around and demand how and when can MSEA do better? Or else!

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Biddleford Steve, you would

Biddleford Steve, you would think MSEA-SEIU would look into this and be your champion... but they don't and they aren't...because they've been politically coopted by the Democratic Party of Maine and the United States. I mean just think about what you want MSEA-SEIU to do for you here: to oppose the management practices of the Democratic Baldacci administration. Imagine what would happen if Tim Belcher actually took up your cause and filed a grievance and or a prohibitive practice complaint for you...then just like that....the Governor's Office would call Tim Belcher on his cell phone and tell him to knock it off...and that would be that. See how it works? And that's why Belcher and MSEA-SEIU don't even bother.

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Sonny, sorry for the delayed

Sonny, sorry for the delayed response to your question ("how does this grand scheme also involve a lot of our tax dollars given Baldacci's current negotiating posture with MSEA (i.e. State has nothing so you get nothing) for the presently on-going Executive Branch bargaining?").

Since Baldacci agreed to MSEA's push for Forced Unionism during his first term, his past campaign supporters are now holding a lot of new and easy cash from those forced dues/fees payments...which are essentially our tax dollars. Since we all know MSEA does a huge amount of political campaigning, there are certainly some negotiations taking place who and what will get how much support from both them and their parent union/PAC with even deeper pockets (SEIU). We have a very sick political system in Augusta, but I trust it will be corrected some day.

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Mark, thanks for getting back

Mark, thanks for getting back to me. Well, that would explain a lot really. MSEA-SEIU support Baldacci for Governor, Governor in turn once elected permits "fair share" (which beats MSEA-SEIU having to get off their ass and organize) and in turn MSEA-SEIU keep the rest of us down on the farm so to speak by not challenging the Baldacci Administration too much or too often via the Grievance Procedure, NLRB/MLRB Prohibitive Practice Complaints or Human Rights Commission complaints. So while "fair share" has been a financial bonanza for MSEA-SEIU, it's also been a disincentive for the labor union to have to zealously represent their dues paying members versus the State given this obvious political conflict of interest. And the only way out of this conundrum is through radical reform and re-alignment which only ever comes about from below by people sick and tired of all of this shady politics from above. Concerned MSEA members are going to have to take back their Board of Directors and kick their present Moe, Curley and Larry managment team to the curb before any of the damage from this political sell out and mismanagment will stop.

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To be honest, i was wondering

To be honest, i was wondering why the union didn't act on the training temps but not full time people thing however when mngt sent me that email response and also cc'd my steward and rep I heard nothing.

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